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Sexual morality should constitutionally be left to the statesindividual man's wife, I am fine with that.


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FTFY, because let's be realistic.


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Sexual anything should be between the consenting adults involved as long as its in the privacy of their own home. The use of my penis will not be governed by a consensus of a political majority in the privacy of my home.

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Sexual anything should be between the consenting adults involved as long as its in the privacy of their own home. The use of my penis will not be governed by a consensus of a political majority in the privacy of my home.

I agree with you 100%.

However, in your description, someone has to be the authority on determining who's an "adult" and what constitutes "consent".

Once you give the authority away to someone else like that, you've demonstrated acceptance that not everyone should enjoy parity where sexual privacy is concerned. From that point on, anyone legally inhibiting your penis is just exercising some degree of the authority you've already given to them.

Not that I think you should be totally free to penetrate anything you want, at any time, any place... just pointing out that most everyone has some degree of acceptance towards having the use of their penis governed by a consensus of a political majority.

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Thought this was an interesting opinion article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... ml?hpid=z4
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There are two stories coming out of New Hampshire. The big story is Mitt Romney. The bigger one is Ron Paul.

Romney won a major victory with nearly 40 percent of the vote, 16 points ahead of No. 2. The split among his challengers made the outcome even more decisive. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich were diminished by distant, ¿lower-tier finishes. Rick Perry got less than 1 percent. And Jon Huntsman, who staked everything on New Hampshire, came in a weak third with less than half of Romney’s vote. He practically moved to the state — and then received exactly one-sixth of the vote in a six-man contest. Where does he go from here?

But the bigger winner was Ron Paul. He got 21 percent in Iowa, 23 in New Hampshire, the only candidate other than Romney to do well with two very different electorates, one more evangelical and socially conservative, the other more moderate and fiscally conservative.

Paul commands a strong, energetic, highly committed following. And he is unlike any of the other candidates. They’re out to win. He admits he doesn’t see himself in the Oval Office. They’re one-time self-contained enterprises aiming for the White House. Paul is out there to build a movement that will long outlive this campaign.

Paul is less a candidate than a “cause,” to cite his election-night New Hampshire speech. Which is why that speech was the only one by a losing candidate that was sincerely, almost giddily joyous. The other candidates had to pretend they were happy with their results.

Paul was genuinely delighted with his, because, after a quarter-century in the wilderness, he’s within reach of putting his cherished cause on the map. Libertarianism will have gone from the fringes — those hopeless, pathetic third-party runs — to a position of prominence in a major party.

Look at him now. He’s getting prime-time air, interviews everywhere and, most important, respect for defeating every Republican candidate but one. His goal is to make himself leader of the opposition — within the Republican Party.

He is Jesse Jackson of the 1980s, who represented a solid, African American, liberal-activist constituency to which, he insisted, attention had to be paid by the Democratic Party. Or Pat Buchanan (briefly) in 1992, who demanded — and gained — on behalf of social conservatives a significant role at a convention that was supposed to be a simple coronation of the moderate George H.W. Bush.

No one remembers Bush’s 1992 acceptance speech. Everyone remembers Buchanan’s fiery and disastrous culture-war address.

At the Democratic conventions, Jackson’s platform demands and speeches drew massive attention, often overshadowing his party’s blander nominees.

Paul won’t quit before the Republican convention in Tampa. He probably will not do well in South Carolina or Florida, but with volunteers even in the more neglected caucus states, he will be relentlessly collecting delegates until Tampa. His goal is to have the second-most delegates, a position of leverage from which to influence the platform and demand a prime-time speaking slot — before deigning to support the nominee at the end. The early days of the convention, otherwise devoid of drama, could very well be all about Paul.

The Democratic convention will be a tightly scripted TV extravaganza extolling the Prince and his wise and kindly rule. The Republican convention could conceivably feature a major address by Paul calling for the abolition of the Fed, FEMA and the CIA; American withdrawal from everywhere; acquiescence to the Iranian bomb — and perhaps even Paul’s opposition to a border fence lest it be used to keep Americans in. Not exactly the steady, measured, reassuring message a Republican convention might wish to convey. For libertarianism, however, it would be a historic moment: mainstream recognition at last.

Put aside your own view of libertarianism or of Paul himself. I see libertarianism as an important critique of the Leviathan state, not a governing philosophy. As for Paul himself, I find him a principled, somewhat wacky, highly engaging eccentric. But regardless of my feelings or yours, the plain fact is that Paul is nurturing his movement toward visibility and legitimacy.

Paul is 76. He knows he’ll never enter the promised land. But he’s clearing the path for son Rand, his better placed (Senate vs. House), more moderate, more articulate successor.

And it matters not whether you find amusement in libertarians practicing dynastic succession. What Paul has already wrought is a signal achievement, the biggest story yet of this presidential campaign.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Müs wrote:
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Sexual morality should constitutionally be left to the statesindividual man's wife, I am fine with that.


FTFY ;)


FTFY, because let's be realistic.


Except I'm not married... so the only people that should be involved with my sexual morality are me and any proposed partner.

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*sigh* Jokes just don't work in Hellfire, do they?


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Lenas wrote:
*sigh* Jokes just don't work in Hellfire, do they?


No, they just post.

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Straight outta Hellfire, crazy mother **** named Lenas. When he's called off he's got a sawed off, squeeze the trigger and bodies are hauled off.

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Micheal wrote:
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*sigh* Jokes just don't work in Hellfire, do they?


No, they just post.


Yeah, "they" do.

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Except I'm not married... so the only people that should be involved with my sexual morality are me and any proposed partner.

So...me, myself, and I? :P

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Basically.

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This man IS CRAZY. We have to stop him.


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Well that's the stuff he's right about. It's some of the other stuff, that Iran if we leave Iran alone they won't nuke us.

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I don't understand why people think Iran is going to nuke the U.S. Does the principle of MAD not apply anymore? The United States is over 5 times the size of Iran, and we have a huge stockpile. Even if they did launch at us, we'd lose a few cities, but we have more than enough munitions to obliterate the entire country of Iran. It'd take a complete fool to start a nuclear war, particularly a country that has an infant nuclear arsenal.

I could see them threaten, brandish, or posture. But actually launching?

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1. Would Paul go MAD? Or at least be perceived as being unwilling to do so?
2. MAD is small comfort for anyone under the first shot.
3. Does a country/terrorist organization who employs suicide bombers care?

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1. I don't think there's anyone stupid enough to not retaliate if he detects a nuclear launch.
2. Didn't we spend millions of dollars working on anti-nuclear defense systems during the Cold War?
3. There's a big difference between "I am willing to sacrifice myself" and "I am willing to sacrifice my entire country". Particularly since the suicide bombers usually aren't the people in power.

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There are reports that the powers that be in Iran believe it's the biblical "end of times", and that they need to act accordingly.

I'm not sure how accurate that characterization is, but in my opinion, folks that think it's the last chance to throw a party aren't the best ones to entrust with their finger on the trigger.

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They're far more likely to nuke Israel than America. It's not like they'd ever have the resources to try both.

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I know we do too much overseas, but it's possible to do too little, to let things grow until they become too big of problems.

If Paul would stand up (or has and I just haven't seen it) and say something like that, ensure us that He's willing to be at least a little proactive in the defense of the country and to some extent our allies (being President means abiding by treaties in place until they are changed via the proper channels), I think it would do him well.

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My concern is not that Iran would launch nuclear missles at us (they lack the technology). But I am worried about them making suitcase bombs and either giving them to terrorists or putting them up for sale on the black market.

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I don't understand why people think Iran is going to nuke the U.S. Does the principle of MAD not apply anymore? The United States is over 5 times the size of Iran, and we have a huge stockpile. Even if they did launch at us, we'd lose a few cities, but we have more than enough munitions to obliterate the entire country of Iran. It'd take a complete fool to start a nuclear war, particularly a country that has an infant nuclear arsenal.

I could see them threaten, brandish, or posture. But actually launching?


What you say is quite true.. assuming you're dealing with a rational opponent. There's also the fact that there are other countries, Israel in particular, that can't bost of such an overwhelming retaliatory capability and more importantly do not have the land area or population to absorb damage that we do.

Some might say "well, that's Israel's problem" but while I'm not prepared to assume responsibility for Israel's defense, the possibility of them getting nuked and then possibly invaded and destroyed (just a few nukes could cripple their ability to repel a conventional invasion) is not soemthing I, or the majority of people in this country, willa ccept, especially not just to fulfill isolationist ideology for its own sake.

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My concern is not that Iran would launch nuclear missles at us (they lack the technology). But I am worried about them making suitcase bombs and either giving them to terrorists or putting them up for sale on the black market.


They're not going to do that unless they can produce fissile material at a much higher rate, and have a lot of empirical test data. Miniaturizing a nuclear bomb is almost as tricky as making it in the first place.

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1. I don't think there's anyone stupid enough to not retaliate if he detects a nuclear launch.


No one ever retaliates because they detected a launch. You retaliate when a nuclear bomb actually initiates. If that weren't the case, we'd have gone to war with Russia on a number of occasions during the Cold War. Thankfully now we have BMD so we could shoot down an incoming missile, and then take the decision to retaliate or not without taking a nuke in the process, and if it turned out to be a flase alarm all we did was waste an interceptor.

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2. Didn't we spend millions of dollars working on anti-nuclear defense systems during the Cold War?


If you mean back during the 1960s and 70s yes, we had worked on and even deployed an ABM for a while, but we pissed that away with the idiotic ABM treaty and only just started rebuilding in that area when Bush started National Missile Defense. Other than that, we had fighter jets, and those only shoot down bombers. The only other way to defend against nukes was early warning, getting your bombers off the ground before incoming missiles destryoed their airfields, and hoping to hit enough enemy silos, airfields, and SSBNs before they could launch.

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3. There's a big difference between "I am willing to sacrifice myself" and "I am willing to sacrifice my entire country". Particularly since the suicide bombers usually aren't the people in power.


There is. However, there's a certain aspect of "Allah will protect us". Some Muslims actually believe Mecca is immune to nuclear attack.

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The leadership of Iran has shown no signs of being irrational to the point of starting a war, let alone starting one with the US, or starting one where an exchange of nuclear weapons would occur.

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