The Glade 4.0

Who else is in? I honestly enjoyed both episodes.

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Raell Kromwell

Heard it went all Losty at the end of the second episode; won't be watching.

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I DVR'ed it but haven't sat down to watch it yet.

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If you can accept the whole basis of the show, the end of the second episode was nothing earth shattering.

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Raell Kromwell

I'm with Raell. If you can accept the first 30 minutes of the show, the end is just more of what is to be expected.

I enjoyed it a great deal and look forward to seeing the season play out.

Phe and I watched the first episode(s). Wasn't amazing, but better than Lost (not a fan). Felt like a less-interesting Fringe (even down to the Cool Blond Chick Detective, the Slightly Geeky Partner Who's Also a Potential Love Interest, the Old Man Who Knows Everything, and the Ethnic Female Support Staffer Who Is Far Cuter Than The Lead).

I'm willing to give it another few episodes, see how it pans out.

Sorry FarSky, no way the 'slightly geeky partner' is a potential love interest here.

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Raell Kromwell

The Peter/New Hurley analogue is, admittedly, the most stretched (no pun intended), but it's still there.

Finally had some time to watch both episodes tonight. Liked the premise, will see how it turns out.

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"Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use one!"~ Matthew Quigley

"nothing like a little meow in bed at night" ~ Bruskey

"I gotta float my stick same as you" Hondo Lane

"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

Hmmm. Sam Neal is awesome. So is John Noble, but for different reasons. It's hard to say which "old man who knows everything" will be better.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Excellent pacing on the show so far, seems very well written as well.

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You know what really killed the X-Files? In the later seasons it got too bogged down in creating this false sense of intrigue by dangling hints in front of the audience of what appeared to be some kind of intricate, but coherent conspiracy plot happening just "behind the curtain". They resorted to a carrot-and-stick game with the audience's misplaced hope that eventually the curtain would be pulled back and the deep secret revealed. Only, there was never anything behind the curtain to begin with. It was a ploy. And for a while, it worked. But eventually people just got fed up when they realized that were only being jerked around, and that the writers fully intended to keep jerking them around in perpetuity.

And then Lost happened. I don't know how Lost happened, but it did. Maybe people changed between the X-Files and Lost. Or maybe it's just that the X-Files stumbled into this technique in mid-stream, and its audience just wasn't as willing to go along with it, whereas Lost was pretty blatantly obviously a plot sham from the get go. Either way, ever since it went off the air, the networks have been furiously dogpiling on the "ooooh, it's a mystery! myyyyyysteryyyyy!" genre ever since, trying to find the "next Lost". Witness "Persons Unknown" (lol, cancelled), "Terra Nova", etc., etc., etc.

I'm going to keep watching Alcatraz for now, since I found it enjoyable enough and I do really like Sam Neil for some reason. That said, my suspicion is that it's yet another one of these shows. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong, but if I don't start seeing some indication that the writers have actually story-boarded this thing out, I'm probably going to bail on it before it makes it to the end of season 1. The show seems good, but not X-Files or BSG good, and that's pretty much my threshold for putting up with this kind of crap.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Thank you Stathol.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Personally I think the problem with the X-Files was actually that they had really resolved the conspiracy stuff in the season after the movie but wanted to keep milking the cash cow so they started stretching. In my opinion this becomes extremely evident if you sit down and watch seasons 1-5, then the movie, then season 6. After watching those continue to 7, 8 and 9 and you can see where it started becoming increasingly thin. This is why I am such a huge fan of shows that define up front the length of their story arc (Battlestar Galactica said up front they were aiming for 5 seasons).

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Okay, I didn't watch Lost. I tried, but I got bored fast. But everything you say here applies completely to X-Files (oh how frustrated I got at the lack of resolution to anything, EVER), BSG (reimagined) where they painted themselves into a corner with a mystery they had no good answer thought up for.

I will give Alcatraz the benefit of the doubt because Fringe (an Abrams offering which I love) obviously had some forethought put into the mysteries it was unravelling, and actually DOES resolve them as it uncovers new ones. Terra Nova dispelled the notion fairly quickly in this short first season that it was just another "Ooooh, look, a mystery!" It was obviously planned out as well, the writers had a good idea where they were going, and simply revealed it to the user gradually (but not TOO gradually. 12 episodes and all the mysteries are resolved, rather elegantly and believably.)

Where's Alcatraz going to go in that area? Is it another X-Files/BSG or does Abrams have a path for its plot already worked out? I don't know. What bugs me is one never really knows until it's too late and you've wasted a pile of time on the show.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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If they have an end date for this show already...it would help. Seems like they are going for a 'freak of the week' show. They are gonna have to give some of these guys the room to run. Last more than one or two episodes. There are 63 guys they need to collect, they can make that last 100 episodes.

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Raell Kromwell

No, there are 300 some odd people, they call them the 63 because they disappeared in 1963

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Fringe has gone all sorts of bad.

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some invariably will and someone will have to take on the mantle of reoccurring extra secret mystery guy.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Yeah, Fringe is taking a serious dip. I watched through the end of Season 3 quite consistently, and I've only watched a handful of episodes from Season 4.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Personally, I think they have a good show without delving too deeply into the whole why of it all.

Normally I'm skeptical of the whole "Drama on two fronts" deal that has suddenly become the fad this year, but they seem to be doing it well.

So my unsolicited open advice would be to focus more on catching the bad guys from the sixties and less on how they they got here.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Aye, not everything needs to be known.

But they will dribble out hints, details that make it so you have to know.

Then they won't tell you.

BAD ROBOT

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Raell Kromwell

It's ok, they haven't really put enough time into developing some of the modern day characters enough yet, particularly the detective and hurley 2.0, and they are main characters. The characters in the flash backs are much more developed. That said, its got potential, maybe they can create some arcs with baddies that last more than one episode, who says they all come back one at a time. For that matter, who says some of them can't come back reformed, and not causing any trouble.

Again I would argue that the main characters are the 63s and Hurley 2.0 and blond female detective blatantly stolen from another show of the same genre are just reoccurring supporting cast.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

The Alcatraz tour now has signs on it saying that the control room isn't real, don't wander off looking for it because you won't find it and you may get hurt in the roped off areas.

They have had to retrieve people looking for it just about every tour since the show started. They are asked if the tour includes the control room regularly.

People are idiots.

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