The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:34 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Ideological education
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:52 pm 
Offline
Too lazy for a picture

Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:40 pm
Posts: 1352
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... ption.html

Quote:
A 15-year-old Wisconsin boy who wrote an op-ed opposing gay adoptions was censored, threatened with suspension and called ignorant by the superintendent of the Shawano School District, according to an attorney representing the child.

FOLLOW TODD ON FACEBOOK

Mathew Staver, the founder of the Liberty Counsel, sent a letter to Superintendent Todd Carlson demanding an apology for “Its unconstitutional and irrational censorship and humiliation” of Brandon Wegner.

Wegner, a student at Shawano High School, was asked to write an op-ed for the school newspaper about whether gays should be allowed to adopt. Wegner, who is a Christian, wrote in opposition. Another student wrote in favor of allowing gays to adopt.

Wegner used Bible passages to defend his argument, including Scripture that called homosexuality a sin.

You can read Wegner’s editorial by clicking here.

After the op-ed was published, a gay couple whose child attend s the high school, complained.

The school immediately issued an apology – stating Wegner’s opinion was a “form of bullying and disrespect.”

“Offensive articles cultivating a negative environment of disrespect are not appropriate or condoned by the Shawano School District,” the statement read. “We sincerely apologize to anyone we may have offended and are taking steps to prevent items of this nature from happening in the future.”

But Staver said what the school system did next was absolutely outrageous. He said the 15-year-old was ordered to the superintendent’s office where he was subjected to hours of meetings and was accused of violating the school’s bullying policy.

“The superintendent called him ignorant and said he had the power to suspend him,” Staver said. “He’s using his position to bully this student. This is absolutely the epitome of intolerance.”

Staver said the boy’s parents were never notified.

At one point, Staver said the superintendent gave him a chance to say he regretted writing the column.

“When Mr. Wegner stated that he did not regret writing it, and that he stood behind his beliefs, Superintendent Carlson told him that he ‘had got to be one of the most ignorant kids to try to argue with him about this topic,’” Staver said.

At that point, Staver said the superintendent told the boy that “we have the power to suspend you if we want to.”

The superintendent allegedly told Wegner that he was personally offended by Wegner’s column.

FOX News & Commentary offered Carlson a chance to address the allegations. He refused to submit to questions, but did say he would send a statement. That statement never arrived.

Staver said Wegner was not trying to cause problems or pick a fight.

“He was asked to write an article in the newspaper overseen by a faculty adviser,” he said, suspecting the superintendent was specifically outraged over the Bible verses Wegner had used.

“The superintendent wants everyone to accept homosexuality as normative and homosexual adoption as something that should be standard practices,” Staver said. “In doing so, he’s belittling the views and the biblical views of many people across this country. He is playing a zero-sum game. He’s not interested in dialogue. He wants to cram his view down the throat of everyone else and will not tolerate an opposing viewpoint.”

Staver said an apology from the superintendent may not suffice – and they may consider taking legal action.

“It was a very intimidating situation for this 15-year-old boy,” he said.”It was uncalled for. He crossed the line. It’s absolutely outrageous and he needs to apologize for his actions.”

_________________
"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:49 pm
Posts: 67
You can read Wegner’s editorial by clicking here.

No clicky here


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:41 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Quote:
“The superintendent wants everyone to accept homosexuality as normative and homosexual adoption as something that should be standard practices,” Staver said. “In doing so, he’s belittling the views and the biblical views of many people across this country. He is playing a zero-sum game. He’s not interested in dialogue. He wants to cram his view down the throat of everyone else and will not tolerate an opposing viewpoint.”


And that's different from what you're doing how exactly?

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:45 pm 
Offline
Not a F'n Boy Scout
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:10 pm
Posts: 5202
Müs wrote:
Quote:
“The superintendent wants everyone to accept homosexuality as normative and homosexual adoption as something that should be standard practices,” Staver said. “In doing so, he’s belittling the views and the biblical views of many people across this country. He is playing a zero-sum game. He’s not interested in dialogue. He wants to cram his view down the throat of everyone else and will not tolerate an opposing viewpoint.”


And that's different from what you're doing how exactly?

The kid, while I disagree with him, is stating an opposing view point.

The superintendent is suppressing one.

_________________
Quote:
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Ezekiel 23:19-20 


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:22 am 
Offline
Oberon's Playground
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 am
Posts: 9449
Location: Your Dreams
Rynar wrote:
Müs wrote:
Quote:
“The superintendent wants everyone to accept homosexuality as normative and homosexual adoption as something that should be standard practices,” Staver said. “In doing so, he’s belittling the views and the biblical views of many people across this country. He is playing a zero-sum game. He’s not interested in dialogue. He wants to cram his view down the throat of everyone else and will not tolerate an opposing viewpoint.”


And that's different from what you're doing how exactly?

The kid, while I disagree with him, is stating an opposing view point.

The superintendent is suppressing one.


Agreed.

It is your right to express a bigoted viewpoint. It's our right to ridicule it. The school is out of line.

That said, I'd have failed his paper for using unreliable sources. Might as well quote the Brothers Grimm as an authority for all its relevance to policy and legalities in a free country.

_________________
Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me

█ ♣ █


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:54 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:12 pm
Posts: 2366
Location: Mook's Pimp Skittle Stable
But Talya, he wasn't asked to right a cited and sourced paper. He was asked to write an Op-Ed piece, something that is strictly based on editorialized opinions.

Hence, the sources he used should have no bearing on his grade for the paper.

_________________
Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:09 am 
Offline
Bull Moose
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:36 pm
Posts: 7507
Location: Last Western Stop of the Pony Express
/agree Neph

_________________
The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Ideological education
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:46 am 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Heres my first issue. Why have bother requesting an opposing view (which he seemed to do) if he didn't want one.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:04 am 
Offline
Peanut Gallery
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:40 pm
Posts: 2289
Location: Bat Country
He has a right to be a bigoted idiot. And also, bullying is a part of life sometimes, you have to learn to deal with it and stop turning everyone in to a giant weepy vagina.

_________________
"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm
Posts: 9412
Rorinthas wrote:
Heres my first issue. Why have bother requesting an opposing view (which he seemed to do) if he didn't want one.

He didn't request an opposing view. He requested an op ed on gay adoption and is a liberal. The implicit instructions for the assignment were "write an op ed for our paper supporting gay adoption." This kid had the gall to believe he could have his own opinion and share it with others.

_________________
"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:31 am 
Offline
Oberon's Playground
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 am
Posts: 9449
Location: Your Dreams
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
Heres my first issue. Why have bother requesting an opposing view (which he seemed to do) if he didn't want one.

He didn't request an opposing view. He requested an op ed on gay adoption and is a liberal. The implicit instructions for the assignment were "write an op ed for our paper supporting gay adoption." This kid had the gall to believe he could have his own opinion and share it with others.


Meh. It seems he did not object to the paper until the gay parents of a child at the school made an issue of it. (Which is ultimately even more damning for the school and more unfair to the student who submitted the paper.)

_________________
Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me

█ ♣ █


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:18 am 
Offline
God of the IRC
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:35 pm
Posts: 3041
Location: The United States of DESU
I would imagine the principal didn't know about the article at all until the complaint.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:22 pm
Posts: 5716
Quote:
Wegner, a student at Shawano High School, was asked to write an op-ed for the school newspaper about whether gays should be allowed to adopt. Wegner, who is a Christian, wrote in opposition. Another student wrote in favor of allowing gays to adopt.


WTF. He did exactly as asked. It gets worse:

Quote:
“He was asked to write an article in the newspaper overseen by a faculty adviser,”


He did as was asked, and was supervised. I'm quite certain this child did not publish it himself. Who was the editor/reviewer?

Even if this article was the most offensive POS ever written, the school is responsible for it.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:22 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
What Ara said. The school had every apparent opportunity to say "You're entitled to your opinion, this just isn't the venue for it." I might disagree, but then it falls under "their paper, their rules." So shame on them.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:26 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Wwen wrote:
He has a right to be a bigoted idiot. And also, bullying is a part of life sometimes, you have to learn to deal with it and stop turning everyone in to a giant weepy vagina.

If this was a peer, you might have a point. However he's being bullied and threatened by a figure of authority, an "adult," not a peer or student. He's also being threatened with tarnishment on his academic record.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:37 pm 
Offline
Oberon's Playground
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 am
Posts: 9449
Location: Your Dreams
Rorinthas wrote:
Wwen wrote:
He has a right to be a bigoted idiot. And also, bullying is a part of life sometimes, you have to learn to deal with it and stop turning everyone in to a giant weepy vagina.

If this was a peer, you might have a point. However he's being bullied and threatened by a figure of authority, an "adult," not a peer or student. He's also being threatened with tarnishment on his academic record.



I think you misunderstood Wwen, Rori. I believe he's referring to the school's assertion that the student's paper constituted bullying. I disagree that it does, but even if it does, Wwen is saying that bullying is part of life, learn to deal.

_________________
Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me

█ ♣ █


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Ideological education
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:10 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
My bad. I assumed he met the bullying of the writer.

Unless the student was named in the Op Ed or strongly alluded to I fail to see how that would be bullying. The student just happens to be involved in the issue.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:01 pm 
Offline
Commence Primary Ignition
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 am
Posts: 15740
Location: Combat Information Center
From what I understand, he was one of two students asked to write; the other student was in favor of gay adoption.

Regardless of how you feel about the issue, the superintendent's conduct is inexcusable.

_________________
"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:44 pm 
Offline
Lean, Mean, Googling Machine
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:35 am
Posts: 2903
Location: Maze of twisty little passages, all alike
They not only encouraged him to write the op-ed, they positively solicited his particular point of view. And after he wrote it, they signed off on it and printed it. If that's not entrapment, I don't know what is. Even if writing the op-ed were bullying, it wouldn't legitimize the school's response in persecuting this kid under these circumstances.

_________________
Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 205 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group