The Glade 4.0

No, the Kirra Broadcast System

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I've added a C-9 to the list of guns to try, but honestly so long as it is under $900 I am more concerned with reliability, handling and accuracy.

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.50 cal Desert Eagle, because some people just aren't worth shooting twice.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

$900 is a lot of money to throw at a handgun if you've never owned one of your own before; it's also a lot of money to invest in something that may or may not get used (and I'm not talking about shooting people). I'm not a big fan of Hi-Point guns, because I don't have any need for them; however, this shouldn't discourage you from considering one if you want a low entry cost, a fairly reliable piece of hardware, and something simple to maintain.

Despite not being 9mm, I stand by my original recommendation if you're going to spend $900: buy a Colt Python in .357 and shoot .38s through it for target practice. I understand your arguments about 9mm ammunition, but 9mm, .22 LR, .22 MAG, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are all getting troublesome to come by in factory loads of late.

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What is a "factory load"?

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Think "store-bought".

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Why would you want a Concealed weapon permit? Why would you need to carry a gun around?

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

Don't you live near Detroit?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

<cue Tim Allen voice>
Welcome to Detroit! It's the Mogadishu of the West! Like Fallujah with snow!

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I live about 1.5-2 hrs from Deetroit :p

If did live there...maybe I would need to carry a gun around, but what is the point if you don't live somewhere that is scary?

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

Hopwin lives in Cleveland. It also ranks high on nice lists like this one.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

It's like a condom. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Chances are good you won't ever need it, but you can never know if you might be in that situation.

I carry mine everywhere I go, unless I'm going to be drinking. I don't want to be without it just in case it's that one day where I need it. Hopefully, that day won't arrive. Hope, however, is not a plan.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Lol I don't carry a condom either

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

I bet you hope he has one then.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The principle of having it when you need it is what's the same, not the circumstances of employing it. I worry that some ******* might shoot up the gas station when I'm in there; I'm not too worried that he's going to try to **** me right there in the gas station, mainly because he'd have to shoot me anyhow.

I'm married now so there's no need to worry about condoms anymore, but if I were single and going out partying and there was the possibility of having sex with someone, I would make an effort to have condoms prior to social events of that nature.

You're quite ladylike and I'd venture to say not in the habit of spontaneously having sex with people, so you don't usually need to have a condom with you. However, I suspect that if there was someone you were planning to have sex with you'd make an effort to ensure condoms were available, even if it were only by asking your partner "did you buy some? Sorry sweetie, no glove, no love."

You're a nurse.. do you keep latex gloves handy in your car in case you come upon an injured person? It would be a lot like doing that. You don't plan on encountering an injured person when you go out but you never know when it will occur, and I'm sure you would really hate to treat people without taking basic precautions.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No glove, no love ... Like that

True, true...I'm not a party animal and I don't believe in hook ups..so no need for a condom in my purse. A gun? Maybe...

DE, you know me . I carry gloves, a CPR mask, Bottle of Nitro and some ace wrap.

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

See? same thing. In addition to my gun, I carry a pair of handcuffs. You never know, the guy might give up, and I need to be able to cuff him.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

that's not why I carry cuffs.....

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I'm almost morbidly curious to see where this comment rears its head next time.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I carry my gun everywhere, also a flashlight, fire starter, and a multitool. A first aid kid, air compressor, change of clothes, extra gas, blankets, water, toolkit, and spare food in my car.

It isn't need, it is for emergencies.

Just like "why would you need a fire extinguisher in your house"? Better to have and not need than need and not have.

Proper risk management. Small investment to mitigate large impact low incidence risk = smart.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

drop bears are absolutely real!

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Snowball guns may have a lack of ammunition over here down under though =P

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Just the right amount of ammunition for the intended target.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Check, check and check.

I live 45 mintues from Detroit. I don't feel the need to own a gun.

I also don't feel the need to go there.

Ever.

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Raell Kromwell