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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:26 am 
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Ladies and gentlemen, A Memory of Light--the final book in The Wheel of Time--has been finished.


He said that there will probably be 6 months of edits and that it will come out in the fall.


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I'd believe the part about editing if the series hadn't shown a serious lack of it from about book 4 on.

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I still haven't tried this. I was thinking about challenging my cousin to read On Basilisk Station in exchange for reading Eye of the World. However it's that time of the year, so it will have to wait.

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The series started out really well. And then the author decided to turn what should have been a 6 or 7 book series into an "I'll see how long I can drag this out and keep everyone buying them" type of series.

It takes a good author to realize that for a story to be good, you can't drag it out forever.

And then, of course, there was the whole dying-before-finishing thing.

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It's also that I already have several long series that I'm failing to keep up with.

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The only book I'd say was a failure was book 10, Crossroads of Twilight. Book 8, Path of Daggers, had some issues, but also had some great moments. The last 3 books have been excellent.

The issues with Book 10 are greatly reduced when you haven't been waiting over two years for the book, and won't be waiting nearly 3 years for the next one. It doesn't stand well on its own.


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So are they up to 20 books in this series yet?

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No, the 14th book is the final book in the series.


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I still haven't tried this. I was thinking about challenging my cousin to read On Basilisk Station in exchange for reading Eye of the World. However it's that time of the year, so it will have to wait.


Honor Harrington > Rand Al'Thor. ;)

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Yeah, I'm very over the long series of fantasy novels. I'm looking forward to the end of this one. Sanderson did a good job with the last one imo. If you are a writer, you need to wrap this **** up. Three books is the limit.

I wonder if part of their book deals was that they had to produce X number of books...

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http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/02/the-release-date-for-a-memory-of-light-has-been-set

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The Release Date for A Memory of Light Has Been Set
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The first novel in Robert Jordan’s The Wheel of Time®, The Eye of the World, was released on January 15, 1990. Now more than twenty years later, Tor Books is thrilled to announce the official publication date for the final novel in the series.

A Memory of Light will release on January 8, 2013, in the final month of the Year of the Dragon.

A Memory of Light is one of the most important titles that Tor will ever publish. Many of the principal players have been involved with the series since its inception, including Publisher Tom Doherty and Editor Harriet McDougal, who worked with Robert Jordan on all of his books, and who is working with Brandon Sanderson, the writer finishing the series from Robert Jordan’s outline and his notes. This is a landmark publication not just for Tor but for millions of fans of the late Robert Jordan, who eagerly await the conclusion to his epic tale. Everyone involved with the project is committed to making this an ending to remember.

Over the next few seasons, Tor will continue to release new Wheel of Time material, including trade paperback editions of the early novels with new art, new graphic novel editions of the The Eye of the World comics, and other material related to A Memory of Light as we get closer to publication date.



What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the Shadow.


I'm a bit disappointed about the release date. I was hoping that it would come out this November. I'm surprised they couldn't pull it in a month to get in on the Christmas shopping season.


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If Harriet McDougal had been the one to die, instead of Robert Jordan, the series would have been over six years ago.

And if she had died twenty years ago, the series would have been completed in about 1995-ish.

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That is a somewhat cruel, and completely untrue thing to say.


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That is a somewhat cruel, and completely untrue thing to say.

I don't think it's an untrue thing to say. The geriatric longevity of the series definitely comes down to editing. Any other editor would have force RJ to have cut his word count by at least 1/3.

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Incidentally, here is some commentary on the release date from Sanderson himself at his blog. I'll enclose it here:

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Tor and Harriet have set the release date for A MEMORY OF LIGHT. Again. While I've been working on the book, this has happened a half dozen times, with varying levels of publicity surrounding the date.

This time we're saying January 8th. How likely is this one? Well, honestly, I don't know. Seems like it's the most firm of the lot. However, you've got to understand a couple of things.

First off, I don't set release dates, particularly not on these books. I pick my deadlines, then work to meet them. Tor and Harriet decide when the book is going to come out, judging by editing requirements, market factors, and the workings of the publishing machine. I didn't find out this one had been set as this day until long after the fact. So please, complaining to me . . . well, it's just not going to do anything but distract me from working on the book.

Secondly, Harriet is very, VERY worried about getting this book right. It's the last book in the series. There are no chances to change things after this, and revising a book like this takes time. Harriet would probably prefer even more space than this publication date gives us. She also isn't capable of pulling the long hours she might once have pulled. (And she shouldn't be expected to.)

It's not all on Harriet, though, not by a mile. I turned in a 360,000-word book. That's 20% longer than what they wanted, and that means each step of editing and production will require 20% more time than they had set aside. In addition, while I've set my own deadlines, I've come right up against them and (in a few cases) tiptoed across. For example, instead of sending a revised book at the end of December, I only had a first draft. That's the length pushing me back and making me revise expectations.

I realize that all you care about is getting your book, and this sounds like a lot of excuses. But here's the thing. You'll get the book when Harriet is ready to give it to you. Not before. If this were just me, I could work a big pile of 16-hour days and get it to you in the fall. But it's not just me, and beyond that, the last time I did that (on TOWERS OF MIDNIGHT, which went through eleven drafts) we ended up with a pile of typos and wore Harriet out so much she said she didn't recover for well over six months.

I sincerely thought that we'd be releasing the book this fall. January 8th was a surprise to me when they told me. However, Harriet picked the last possible week the book could reasonably come out, because she wants as much time as possible to edit it.

I still think it's very possible that all will go smoothly and Harriet will push the book up. It happened with TGS, I believe, though that was only pushed up by a week. However, for now, we just have to assume January 8th is when it's coming out.

Best,

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Definitely hoping to get it sooner, but at this point... eh. I can wait an extra month or two. Still have a ton of stuff on my reading list, and I don't spend too much time reading anymore anyway.

Plus, it's just going to be... weird to be finished with that series. :p Perhaps Sanderson's Stormlight Archive shall take its place!


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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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That is a somewhat cruel, and completely untrue thing to say.

I don't think it's an untrue thing to say. The geriatric longevity of the series definitely comes down to editing. Any other editor would have force RJ to have cut his word count by at least 1/3.


It's not only untrue, it's flat out stupid. RJ died 4 1/2 years ago. How would Harriet dying then instead of RJ get the book out 6 years ago.


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I had forgotten about this. I should see if I can obtain a cheap copy of WoT so I have something to read until I save up the money for The Lost. I should have said something when I had my cousin on the phone the other day.

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It's not only untrue, it's flat out stupid. RJ died 4 1/2 years ago. How would Harriet dying then instead of RJ get the book out 6 years ago.

First, it was hyperbole. I beg your forgiveness for losing track of the exact number of years involved. Second, considering that Jordan was ill for many years prior, and on restricted activity, if that instead had been Harriet, Tor would have needed to assign a replacement editor which could only have sped up the process. Third, you know what? Pound sand. I've been reading this damn series for almost 22 years now. It's a good thing I started early. I bet a good number of readers also died somewhere in the process. How old are you? Here's hoping you make it.

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As time went by, the books sold better and better. Dude was given a free pass to do what he wants. That is why we ended up with books in the later part of the series where nothing happened but hair pulling and moping until the last 3rd of the books. I gave up after book nine. While I feel bad for joking that he would die before he finishes the series, I wasn't far from wrong.

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I'm not even sure where I gave up reading these, Path of Daggers sounds familiar. I am not even sure I have it in me to pick the rest up once the last one comes out.


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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Aegnor wrote:
That is a somewhat cruel, and completely untrue thing to say.

I don't think it's an untrue thing to say. The geriatric longevity of the series definitely comes down to editing. Any other editor would have force RJ to have cut his word count by at least 1/3.


And yet the Game of Thrones guy still publishes 1000 page books every time...
I think fantasy publishers make fantasy authors sign contracts obligating them to 20 book epics, cause that LotR guy was super popular so people must want more googleologies, right?

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I fully expect Martin to take a dirt nap before he finishes A Song of Ice and Fire.

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Good to know. I won't bother to borrow them from you.

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I kinda like the big fantasy epics myself, author deaths aside... I'm looking at you, George R. R. Martin!

That's not to say that long series can't drag on needlessly, or that short series can't be good too. I certainly wish more had happened in the 6/7ish-10ish stretch of WoT books... but I find nothing inherently wrong with the concept of big long series themselves. I think they're harder to pull off well, but better* if you can do it.

It's definitely a matter of opinion though. I feel the same way about video games still, and I know a lot do not.

Brandon Sanderson just started a big long epic fantasy series, planned to end around 10 books. Only one is written so far, and it itself is huge. I like what I see so far.

*"Better" is not as meaningful a word as it may seem. Varying length from series to series is probably best, so it doesn't really matter which length is better so long as you have some long, some not. I've been enjoying the Dresden Files lately (almost halfway through the series) and those books are ridiculously short to what I'm used to. They do feel a little too short for my tastes, but... enjoyable writing is enjoyable writing either way. :p


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Brandon Sanderson is a machine, though. That guy can pump out huge novels at a tremendous rate.

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