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Should the Flag be Lowered in memory of Whitney Houston's death?
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Or in memory of any celebrities death, for that matter.



http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15754541

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John Burri, Father of Fallen Soldier, Burns NJ Flag to Protest Whitney Houston Tribute
by ASHLEY JENNINGS
Yesterday, 5:06 AM

A Michigan man whose son died in Iraq has burned the state flag of New Jersey after New Jersey flew its flags at half-staff in memory of Whitney Houston last week.

"They're watering down the term of what a true hero is these days," John Burri told ABC News. "I thought it was offensive to every family's fallen solider out there, and it cheapens the meaning of lowering the flag."

The 60-year-old's decision to torch the New Jersey flag on his Wyoming, Mich., patio grill came after New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ordered flags flown at half-staff to honor the singer Whitney Houston, a Garden State native who was buried in her home state on Sunday.

Burri believes flags should only be lowered for those who died serving their country.

"My intention was not to hurt anyone, especially the residents of New Jersey," said Burri. "My intention was to show Gov. Christie how offensive it was."

The governor has defended his decision, calling Houston a "cultural icon."

"Her accomplishments in her life were a source of great pride for many people in this state and for the state as a whole, and so on that basis I think she's entitled to have that recognition," Christie told reporters last week.

After seeing Christie's comments on the local news, Burri said he set out on a mission to honor his son, Army Spc. Eric Burri, who died in 2005 when an explosive device detonated near the Humvee in which he was patrolling.

Burri bought a replica New Jersey flag, tied it to the back of his car and drove around two veteran memorials in Grand Rapids, Mich. He then stopped at his son's burial site before going home and burning the flag.

"Best $12.95 I've ever spent," said Burri.

"Sometimes, you have to do something drastic and extreme for people to listen," Burri said. "I just hope it made a point that maybe someone will pick this up and get a new law made for flag etiquette."

Federal law gives governors of American states power to have flags lowered for residents or state officials.

There is no law requiring that person to have served in the armed forces.

According to the Associated Press, Christie's office has ordered flags flown at half-staff 42 times, including for Morristown coach Harry Shatel and E Street Band saxophonist Clarence Clemons.

Burri still believes Houston could have been honored in another way.

"I have some peace now. This is done. The word is out there," Burri said. "I hope and pray something is done to prevent this from ever happening again."

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Depends. Bob Hope probably deserved having the flag flown at half mast for him. I can't think of any others off the top of my head though.

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I think it's appropriate in general, though I don't necessarily know that Houston qualified. But that's rather the thing...discussion of flying of the flag at half-mast is rarely going to have unanimous agreement over any one subject.

Also, the guy in the article is a dick.
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Their state their rules.

His free speech to disagree.

Next please.

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Did they lower them for Michael Jackson? If not, then definitely no.
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When was Michael Jackson from New Jersey?

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He's from America. American flag.
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I think it was politically easier to lower the flags than not. I mean cmon a famous black singer dies during black history month? He would have been called a racist immediately.

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In this case nope. If she had not gone down in drugs and ruin, then a maybe.

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I think it was politically easier to lower the flags than not. I mean cmon a famous black singer dies during black history month? He would have been called a racist immediately.

This. And, frankly, so long as it was only New Jersey flags (as opposed to US ones), he's the governor of the State of New Jersey, so it's his call.

As I don't particularly care about New Jersey or Whitney Houston, I have no real opinion on the matter beyond that, and no need to form one.

As for soldiers -- they're American soldiers, not New Jerseyan soldiers. And we already fly at half mast for them, in aggregate, once a year. I'm not sure the guy's vitriol is.. justified?, though he's certainly welcome to have and express it.

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This would be a double no for me. If someone makes a genuine contribution to the country I would say go for it, however I don't consider pop music a major contribution. In addition setting up someone with those kind of drug problems as an example is wrong to me. If she had had the issues and then gotten clean and stayed clean maybe, but I never saw anything that indicated she had.

Having said that it is up to them and their state.

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Lex Luthor wrote:
He's from America. American flag.

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The 60-year-old's decision to torch the New Jersey flag on his Wyoming, Mich., patio grill came after New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ordered flags flown at half-staff to honor the singer Whitney Houston, a Garden State native who was buried in her home state on Sunday.

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Federal law gives governors of American states power to have flags lowered for residents or state officials.

Now, I don't know offhand, and don't really care, what the governor of Indiana may have done following Michael Jackson's death, but I'd still like to know why you think it's relevant.

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I don't feel flags should be flown at half-mast for Whitney Houston, but if I lived in the same state I might feel differently.

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It's certainly not the most egregious thing a state or federal government has done to offend the concept of service, probably even this week.

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Christie can do what he wants, but I don't think flying them half at a school is a good idea. Even if it is the NJ flag.

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In this case nope. If she had not gone down in drugs and ruin, then a maybe.


/shrug

Bad decisions, particularly those that are victimless, don't negate your contribution to society.

Well, I guess it could, depending on the person and their contribution. If Nancy Reagan said yes to drugs, I'd be heartbroken.
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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In this case nope. If she had not gone down in drugs and ruin, then a maybe.


/shrug

Bad decisions, particularly those that are victimless, don't negate your contribution to society.

Well, I guess it could, depending on the person and their contribution. If Nancy Reagan said yes to drugs, I'd be heartbroken.


I support her right to do as much drugs as she likes(d), but am indifferent to her existence. Frankly I do not see a reason why any entertainer, or sports figures would warrent a 1/2 mast.

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I don't see why they wouldn't.
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And I do not see why the would/should.

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And I don't see why they wouldn't.


This is fun! :D
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Not a single yes so far.

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And I don't see why they wouldn't.


This is fun! :D


*raises a toast* Loop acheived onto the next topic. Oh wait this is hellfire the lood must be continued until the next topic!

I don't see why they would :thumbs:

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So here is a question. Does anyone feel it would have been appropriate for the state of Missouri to lower flags to half-mast for Samuel Clemens?

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I'm not sure that's an apt comparison.

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So here is a question. Does anyone feel it would have been appropriate for the state of Missouri to lower flags to half-mast for Samuel Clemens?


Does anyone know if they actually did, or not?

I'm going to guess "not" based on the difficulty of rapidly dissemmenating the fact that it was being done across a fairly sizable state with the communications of 1910, but it could have been done in the capital, or his hometown of Hannibal without too much trouble. Just getting the information from Connecticut to Missouri shouldn't have been too much trouble; presumably it could have been telegraphed.

He also got Haley's Comet at his time of death, so a flag might have been a bit anticlimactic.

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