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Am I an anti-slut if I feel I should have state sponsored lubricants?


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I am still wondering how that slut required 3k a year for contraceptive, Wilt Chamberlin would be proud

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I know right? Even at a hundred bucks a month, the pill's only $1200.

And I'm sure you can get all the free condoms and **** you want if you just go to the health office at your college and say you want them.

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I am even more impressed she had the time for that much **** in law school to wrack up that kind of bill. I thought law school was time intensive.

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There seems to be an OP missing from this thread.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... dra-fluke/

Sorry it was over 1k a year on contraceptive. She wanted to be a speaker for all women in college, sex is too expensive for her and wants government to pay for her fornication.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

And Obamma is upset one entertainment personality called that woman a slut, but readily accepts 1 million from Maher referring to another woman as a ****...I do love hypocrisy.

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Perhaps Limbaugh is simply mad that some people want to get their prescription drugs through legal channels.


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I think she should sue Limbaugh for libel if she disagrees.

I would love to see Limbaugh's lawyers thwart her attempt to prove that demanding public or private money to subsidize her sexual activities does not warrant the label of "slut."

It would really provide a nice backdrop for a whole moral debate around sexuality and personal responsibility to keep us entertained for the summer, too.

And Ron Paul would play *very* strongly to huge swathes of the public in contrast to his Republican opponents.

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Uncle Fester wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/contraception-controversy-continues-meet-witness-sandra-fluke/

Sorry it was over 1k a year on contraceptive. She wanted to be a speaker for all women in college, sex is too expensive for her and wants government to pay for her fornication.


Hmmm.... I must have completely missed that part of the testimony. In fact, I don't recall a single word in her statement about her own sex life.

What I heard was that (a) the students' insurance is unsubsidized, so not paid by the university, (b) the student health plan is supposed to cover birth control pills for non-contraceptive purposes (like treatment of ovarian cysts), but the university is routinely denying those claims, and (c) the students just want the insurance they already pay for to cover their prescriptions because they can't afford the full out-of-pocket cost.

For those wondering about the cost, some BC pills are more expensive than others, btw. (High-dose vs. low-dose, single vs. multiple hormones, etc.)

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I found a transcript of the testimony: http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/ ... alth-care/

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Uncle Fester wrote:
required 3k a year for contraceptive

Or, what she, y'know, actually said...
Sandra Fluke wrote:
Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.


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Alternatively, it would be hilarious if Sandra Fluke's work caused even abstinent students' insurance premiums to go up to cover the extra 1k/yr of covered expenses or whatever it works out to.

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Talya wrote:
There seems to be an OP missing from this thread.

Basically, Republicans refused to a law student named Sandra Fluke testify at a hearing on contraception on the basis of not being a member of the clergy (the panel members who were allowed were instead all male). Democrats and women balked, and convened an unofficial hearing in which Fluke testified (you can read her testimony at Seri's link).

Rush Limbaugh then went on his show and repeatedly called Fluke a "slut" and "prostitute." Backlash ensued. Obama called Fluke to offer her support. Romney and Santorum sort-of criticized Limbaugh, in the most mealy-mouthed manners possible (Romney: "I'll just say this, which is, it's not the language I would have used;" Santorum: "“He’s being absurd, but that’s you know, an entertainer can be absurd"). Three major sponsors (so far) of Limbaugh's program have dropped him (Quicken Loans, LegalZoom, and Sleep Train/Sleep Number). Posters on message boards begin putting up threads about it. And here we are.


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Limbaugh's a nitwit, but she's getting very little sympathy from me.

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FarSky wrote:
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required 3k a year for contraceptive

Or, what she, y'know, actually said...
Sandra Fluke wrote:
Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.



Corrected in my second post, but thanks for noticing.

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He sorta apologized: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/ ... _from_rush

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Limbaugh's a nitwit, but she's getting very little sympathy from me.


When she voluntarily goes to a school, knowing in advance that they don't cover contraception... She made a choice to go there and could have chosen a school that was a better fit.

That being said, if the health plan is supposed to cover BC use for treatment of other medical problems, the university should not stand in the way of that coverage by accusing women and doctors of lying, denying the claims, etc. If those allegations are true, they are not fulfilling their obligations under their own plan.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Alternatively, it would be hilarious if Sandra Fluke's work caused even abstinent students' insurance premiums to go up to cover the extra 1k/yr of covered expenses or whatever it works out to.


Abstinent women use BC also.

Since the pill can prevent more severe health problems (in addition to preventing pregnancy), wouldn't that help the bottom line with regards to cost?

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Birth control and regulation of the menstrual cycle influences a woman's health far beyond simple contraception. Most men are unaware of just how wide-reaching the implications are because it never occurs to us to ask. Men hear the word contraception, and we think of condoms and preventing pregnancy. To us, that's all it means, and you can see that even in the responses in this thread. Seeking coverage for contraception makes someone a slut, with no regard to using birth control to protect against ovarian cancer.

It does not even occur to us that it could be a problem when the question of contraception in health care is debated by a panel that excludes approximately half of humanity from the discourse.

Incidentally, anyone who thinks this was about religious freedom would be well advised to look at this picture:

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That picture is Christians and a token Jew. This has nothing to do with religious freedom. It's about the Republicans making this as big a **** as they possibly can because they're upset that Obamacare passed.

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Limbaugh is a lying douchebag. She never referenced her own sexual habits at all, much less claimed she had "so much sex she couldn't afford the birth control." In fact, I'm curious how this is even possible, given that most of the more expensive types of birth control are unrelated to how frequently you have sex.

Second, Fluke is partly right. There is a women's health issue involved; some women do need birth control pills to regulate various medical issues.

That said, she is also wrong. It is an issue of religious freedom.

Third, the panel chaired by the Republicans was not debating the question of contraception in healthcare, it was debating the requirement issued by the Obama administration for religious institutions to provide it under Obamacare. The lack of women clergy is disturbing; not the lack of women in and of itself.

Fourth, the committee is not obligated to hear Sandra Fluke just because the Democrats want her there. They allegedly submitted her name late, and if the situations were reversed I have no doubt Pelosi would have had a dozen Sandra Flukes and not a single Clergyman. Pelosi held her own hearing and Fluke got to talk anyhow and probably ended up getting more publicity than any of the clergymen anyhow.

Fifth, there are plenty of ways to get contraception for less than $1,000 per year. Namely, even if it does cost that much, why are the males not paying about half of it?

Sixth, Only 14% of women use contraceptive pills for exclusively noncontraceptive purposes:

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The study—based on U.S government data from the National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG)—revealed that after pregnancy prevention (86%), the most common reasons women use the pill include reducing cramps or menstrual pain (31%); menstrual regulation, which for some women may help prevent migraines and other painful “side effects” of menstruation (28%); treatment of acne (14%); and treatment of endometriosis (4%).


What this means is that the vast majority of women who use oral contraceptives for other medical purposes also use it for contraceptive purposes. I'd also point out that other treatments for these conditions may be available, and while I'm not a medical person and can't speak to the others I do know perfectly well that acne, for example, can be treated quite a few other ways. Men certainly do not take birth control pills for acne that I've ever heard of.

Last, and most important.. Fluke is a worthless douchebag who is at Georgetown Law with the intent of challenging this policy.

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She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue.


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Fluke plans to continue working on the issue to ensure that the health reform regulations do eventually require Georgetown University to provide birth control to its students.


1) There are other fine law schools besides just Georgetown. She did not need to "compromise her education" to be able to get contraception.
2) Fluke is not some unwitting victim who showed up and then was trapped having to attend a law school that doesn't provide contraception. In fact, she showed up there and made an issue of it right away whether she needed it herself or not.
3) Fluke is not there to get the government to pay for her contraception under Obamacare, she's there to get the government to force Georgetown to do so.
4) Georgetown law school is an expensive and privileged place to go, and $1,000/year for contraceptives is at the extreme upper end of the cost range. If you're Sandra Fluke and on a public interest scholarship to go there, you're already "not compromising your education" to the tune of about $46,000 per year of Georgetown's money. They also don't insist that you adhere to any particularly Catholic-friendly political viewpoint to qualify:

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The fact of the matter is that Fluke is in that little category of feminazis that seem to think that simply pointing out the women's health issue makes it not a religious freedom issue. She's wrong. The bottom line is that you don't need to go to a Catholic law school to get a decent law education if you need contraceptives, and even if you do there are other avenues to get them that will be suitable for many women. You especially don't need to go there on a scholarship they provide you and then ***** that they won't buy you contraceptives based on the extreme top end of contraceptive costs. You also are not entitled to birth control from a religious institution just because you have another medical need; the bottom line is that it's still birth control and that women who only want it for contraception can just doctor-shop until they get one that will make up a fake perscription because they don't like Catholics either.

If it's about Obamacare, or the government providing health care and contraceptives, then it's a different issue altogether. Religious freedom has nothing to do with that. That's simply a "should the government provide healthcare?" issue.

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And Limbaugh loses another sponsor, Carbonite.

http://www.carbonite.com/en/blog/A-Mess ... n-Limbaugh

Edit: Apparently, he's lost other sponsors in addition to Carbonite and the ones I listed above. Citrix Success, Heart and Body Extract, and AutoZone are also gone.


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Georgetown is a Catholic University. Georgetown has near flawless Title IX compliance because Georgetown is required to accept Federal Aid dollars. Georgetown is required by law to accept money that requires them now comply with health insurance laws that were not in place when the government told them they had to take money they did not want or ask for ...

Sandra Fluke gets very little sympathy from me, because she's testifying about a situation created by a legal morass that's still being resolved. I'm sorry, but she chose to go to Georgetown. She chose to go a Catholic school. She chose to go to a Catholic during a period when its contesting changes to Federal Law. And, most importantly, she chose to take advantage of that school's good graces and openness to all students regardless of belief (and it's been that way since day 1) ... and **** on it by blaming them for a situation lawmakers caused?

**** Sandra Fluke.

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Personal attacks against individuals speaking out on legitimate policy issues is unforgivable.

Limbaugh's a **** douche.


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