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Which is a better measure of how generous someone is?
How much they give 43%  43%  [ 6 ]
How much they keep 57%  57%  [ 8 ]
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Some charities are highly efficient. You can generally find efficiency ratings for your charities championing your favorite causes. The highest rated charity in Canada is a nature conservancy in Toronto that uses only 11% of its funding on overhead. A full 89% of its funds go directly into its cause.

While you could argue that 100% of your money you directly use to help your causes is used directly to help the cause, this doesn't change the fact that you can't do as much because many projects require huge amounts of money. The earlier mentioned nature conservancy will actually buy disputed land and prevent development on it, holding it in its natural state. You're not going to end up doing that privately with your own money unless you happen to be VERY wealthy. Charity has its place.

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Aizle wrote:
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Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed.


You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you recently make a statement about favoring government action over private charity, possibly even stating that the latter should be done away with in favor of the former?


I believe there should be a government provided safety net, that supplies the bare minimums need to live. Anything beyond that needs to be something that people need to learn how to supply themselves by working. Aside from possibly some disaster relief type programs, I don't really like charity organizations of any kind. The only kind of charity that I give is personal, where I'm the one providing the time/money/assistance directly.

So you.are, nearly litterally, where Carlyle meets Malthus (except for your conflicting thoughts on "small individual efforts"). I have my own not for profit that I run which benifits childhood diseases with a smaller percentage going towards my local food banks. You feel my efforts are misspent?

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Aizle:

You do understand that your position is internally self-defeating?

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Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed.


You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you recently make a statement about favoring government action over private charity, possibly even stating that the latter should be done away with in favor of the former?


I believe there should be a government provided safety net, that supplies the bare minimums need to live. Anything beyond that needs to be something that people need to learn how to supply themselves by working. Aside from possibly some disaster relief type programs, I don't really like charity organizations of any kind. The only kind of charity that I give is personal, where I'm the one providing the time/money/assistance directly.

So you.are, nearly litterally, where Carlyle meets Malthus (except for your conflicting thoughts on "small individual efforts"). I have my own not for profit that I run which benifits childhood diseases with a smaller percentage going towards my local food banks. You feel my efforts are misspent?


Well, considering that I believe that medical care and food should fall under the responsibility of the government (society as a whole), yes. However, it's your money, do what you want with it.
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You do understand that your position is internally self-defeating?

I'm pretty sure that he does, given his posts in this thread, but I'm also 100% sure he doesn't care, given those same posts.

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Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed.


You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you recently make a statement about favoring government action over private charity, possibly even stating that the latter should be done away with in favor of the former?


I believe there should be a government provided safety net, that supplies the bare minimums need to live. Anything beyond that needs to be something that people need to learn how to supply themselves by working. Aside from possibly some disaster relief type programs, I don't really like charity organizations of any kind. The only kind of charity that I give is personal, where I'm the one providing the time/money/assistance directly.



So inefficient charity is selfish but limiting charity to small, individual works is preferbale, despite the fact that small, individual efforts have 0 efficiency on a great deal of societal issues that charity currently addresses?

This seems like a conclusion of great internal inconsistency to avoid the potential issues of corrupt, "for profit" charities. Especially when there already exists solutions to that problem.

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Khross wrote:
Aizle:

You do understand that your position is internally self-defeating?


How so?
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Aizle wrote:
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Aizle:

You do understand that your position is internally self-defeating?
How so?
What's more important: that the government provide the safety net or that the safety net exist?

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