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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:17 pm 
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That Obama has dismal approval ratings for an incumbent president in a reelection year, and the field of candidates you present us with are so uninspiring and Neocon-ish (except for Paul, whom you're collaborating with the media quite successfully to pretend doesn't exist) that you can't even motivate a good turnout for your primary.

How pathetic is that? Maybe you should try something new.

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What is standard approval rating for an incumbent President in a reelection year?

Edit: found info. This is cool: http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presi ... enter.aspx Also, it appears it was during Reagan's era that we began to see a more stark blindness of approval/disapproval along party lines (check out the "Historical Trend" tab and mouse over "Democrats" and "Republicans;" Nixon seems to be a fluke, but, well...Nixon).


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Remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

Vote no in November.

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I get the great privilege of voting against Boehner twice in one year this year.

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Maybe you'll get lucky this time.

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It would be hilarious to see the Tea Party primary Boehner out of the election. It's not going to happen, but that would be a priceless moment.

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It's pretty sad. I'm not a Ron Paul guy at all and he's still the best of the bunch. Hopefully his son runs in 4 or 8 years.

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Both the parties need the wake-up call of an incumbent President getting primaried.

I would totally support either Paul running in 4 years, regardless of who wins.

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It's never going to happen, because parties with an incumbent president don't have to primary. Especially now that the party is no longer beholden to the state.

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I definitely like Rand more than Ron, from what I know about him anyway.

I really cant believe Rick Santorum is a serious consideration.

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I can, easily. The Republican party has been hijacked by religious nut jobs.

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Santorum is in the race because the voter turnout for the primaries has been historically low. No one on the Republican side is inspiring any confidence in anyone so they are staying home.

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I can, easily. The Republican party has been hijacked by religious nut jobs.


That may appear to be true, if by "religious nut jobs" you mean "anyone who is religious".

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That's a lot of nuts!

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I can, easily. The Republican party has been hijacked by religious nut jobs.
That may appear to be true, if by "religious nut jobs" you mean "anyone who is religious".
Everyone is religious, so ...

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Khross wrote:
Everyone is religious, so ...


No, not everyone is.

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Müs wrote:
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Everyone is religious, so ...


No, not everyone is.


I agree with Khross, if I understand his meaning.

While everyone may not believe in a god, everyone worships something. I've never met someone who didn't. Be it a god, themself, money, sex, knowledge, or whatever, there is something in everyone's life that they worship. This makes everyone religious in some way or another.


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Not worship. Believe is the word you are looking for.

If you believe there is no god, they give you the label of 'atheists' and say that is your religion.

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I disagree with Khross. Not everyone "believes" anything, not in the religious sense. Not everyone "worships" anything.

Khross believes that religion is some mythical psychological construct that enables people to function within society, and that everyone has one, and that everyone needs one.

I suspect his belief is pretty much shite. Religion is something far more specific, and humans need no such thing. We're social herd creatures. We function well within human society by default, by instinct. We don't "need" religion anymore than my parrot does.

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"Religion" is how people rationalize their place in the entirety of existence: it's how we explain it all. People need to stop tying religion and spirituality, dogma and faith into a neat little packaging, calling it something pretty, and then conflating it with social philosophy. It doesn't do them any good.

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Neither do semantic derails. You know what he meant.


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Khross wrote:
"Religion" is how people rationalize their place in the entirety of existence: it's how we explain it all. People need to stop tying religion and spirituality, dogma and faith into a neat little packaging, calling it something pretty, and then conflating it with social philosophy. It doesn't do them any good.


People do not need to "rationalize their place in the entirety of existence" any more than birds need to "rationalize their place in the entirety of existence." That's philosophical garbage. We're no different than the other creatures we share this planet with. We don't have special psychological needs.

Religion didn't form to fill some special human psychological need. It formed as a means of control, to gain power, to gain advantage over others. It is just another form of human social power structure.

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