The Glade 4.0

There's a perfectly rational reason to keep double sentence spacing: manuscripts are for editing, proofing, and finalizing the document. Even with the availability of digital markup, you still need multiple proof readers and editors in most cases. That it doesn't show up in typesetting is because it doesn't show up in typesetting. Fixed width fonts and spacing rules don't affect the finished product. As for Modern word processing completely doing away with the need for it, that's rather a falsehood that someone who recognizes bad kerning wouldn't spout.

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You're citing a very specific niche, Khross. I think Farskee is trying to claim that monospaced, ugly type is not appropriate for everyday reading. Because it is not.

Here's what I'm saying ...

For the internet this does not matter, because HTML fixes the problem anyway.

For a letter to your grandmother, I don't care, because that's not a manuscript.

Threads like this, however, do convince students to follow style manuals that say stupid things with regard to typesetting because word processors approximate typesetting: and that's unacceptable, especially in an environment where people don't have to the time to digitally review your submissions.

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Well, as long as we all agree you can't triple stamp a double stamp....

Double sentence spacing came about because of archaic typesetting techniques being inelegant and resulting in paragraph text being disorienting to read. Proportional fonts rectify that issue, thereby rendering the need for DSS moot. The issue was brought about solely by the technical limitations of typewriters, a limitation that has since been fixed (indeed, until typewriters, DSS wasn't even a thing and the original manner of typesetting was a single, albeit slightly larger, space).

My completely off-the-cuff, unprofessional, Wikipedia-based research has yielded a plethora of references stating that single-space is the preferred manner now by which to present a manuscript for approval and publication. I have no access to the UoC Press or Forbes articles (among others) mentioned, but I figured I'd throw 'em out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_s ... ontroversy

Basically, DSS is only acceptable in editing situations.

Indeed, and there appears to even be question about that.

This entire derail is caused by a conflation between a typeset print ready piece and the results produced by a word processor. They aren't the same or even close.

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Honestly, this discussion is better written than the characters on The Walking Dead, double spacing or no.

No, the derail started when Hopwin told Aegnor he didn't have to double space online and you started to espouse how wonderful the format was tangentially.

Nope, the entire derail is caused by the conflation. I was just going to vent tangentially because of that conflation.

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Either way, DSS sucks and any situation in which you might need to use it sucks by extension. I pity the fools that need to look at that ****.

Manuscripts are for proofing and editing, as you've mentioned. The standards which exist -- 1" margins, double spaced body, fixed width, 12 pt font, 1/2" indent increments -- are all there to facilitate editing and proofing, especially during a period where things had to be typeset by hand.

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I know that, because I've already posted editing and proofing as the reasoning for DSS to exist earlier in this exact thread. Your point also has nothing to do with my last statement. Editing and proofing sucks.

Hey take your typing-nerdness elsewhere.

Can we get a ruling on the use of spoilers? I am of the opinion that topics in the conversation thread should be unspoilered if pertaining to episodes you should be already up to date on before coming to discuss the show. (Buyer beware of the entire thread).

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Ok, I'll be more blunt ...

Editing and proofing don't suck as much when people follow the standards I posted above ... You may not like either activity (which is fine); but, even you would agree they would suck less if people would follow the standards that exist, right?

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I wish you'd be more "blunt" (straight forward) in the future.

Yes, standards can make anything suck less. That's why we have them.

My sixth grade typing teacher walked the floors with a yard stick. Failing to double space at the end of a sentence was something that would get you wacked. It is not something I can let go of now. It is too much a part of me now.

As for spoilers...not everyone reads the comics. IF you are posting spoilers about something that happens in the comics, something that could turn up far in the future of the TV show...perhaps a warning outside of the spoiler box would be nice.

I know some people like to wait for a show to be a DVD before they watch it. I think Shel was the one who mentioned that. Anyway...

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Raell Kromwell

Yeah, I'm not watching the Walking Dead, nor do I care -- but the trend of not putting anything outside the spoiler box just.. doesn't seem useful to me. You have to click and read to figure out if it's something you want to read/talk about, unless your spoiler threshold is set to "I don't care if anything is ever spoiled."

I try to put an indication of what's inside, or when even that's too much, approximately where the spoiler comes from. "Spoilered for size" is different from "Spoiler for the end of book 3," etc.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

What happened here :p

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...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

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So hopefully we can get back on topic and if you people need to further discuss proper punctuation, take it to another thread or PM's!


Anyway, I finally got to see the last episode last night and I LOVED it. I like the direction they're taking the show. A little bummed to find out that I was wrong with what the dude at the CDC told Rick, but I can't always be right

To respond to whoever above was saying that Lori was pissed at Rick for killing Shane...I got the impression that she was not pissed until he informed her that Carl put Zombified Shane down. I think it was more of her being upset that her kid blew Shane away. It's a shock to prove to her the world is crap, yet again.

Ninja girl was awesome!

I have to admit...the kid pulled off a hell of a shot.

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Raell Kromwell

I don't buy that she was just upset that Carl had to kill zombie Shane. There was real anger and loathing towards Rick when he told her. If that wasn't what they were trying to convey, then they did a poor job. If it was, then her character has a long ways to go to be redeemed.

When I watched it, I totally thought she wasn't really angry until Carl was mentioned. Before that it was mostly shock and sadness.

Re: Carl's shot... It didn't look possible to me from the angle of the camera.