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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:06 am 
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Numbuk wrote:
I have had to help clean and gut a deer when I was a lad. It is on my "Top Three Worst Stenches I Have Experienced" list.


I thought they smelled bad... on the outside."
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Aethien wrote:
Huh, makes me think of something, Ladas. Is "buck fever" - the yips you get when you have a deer in your sights, etc. - is that mainly a function of how large a deer is? Or is it because some guys go years without shooting at a deer, much less getting one, and they get nervous, etc.? I just wonder if it would hit me, so I'm thinking of the few things (squirrels, mainly) that I have shot. No "fever" at all for me, maybe a little remorse when I put down a chipmunk by mistake. But, faced with a deer, those big brown eyes, the anticipated adulation of my peers ... I dunno, interesting question.

I don't know if my answer to that question applies to everyone or not, but from my perspective, it has to do with anticipation mixed with surprise. I have never suffered from buck fever on a drive or walking, but when sitting in a stand for a few hours, you tend to relax, and small signs will keep you constantly on edge with lots of false positives, so when that deer just magically appear in front of you (and they are so quiet, that's exactly what it can be like... you look once, glance the other direction, then look back a second later and there it is out in the open), all that anticipation can make you nervous, getting your heart rate up, and people with less experience start to think if it appeared that quickly, it can just disappear that fast too, so they need to hurry up and get the shot off, sometimes taking bad shots due to distance, angle, or just not taking the time to calm down and aim.

Add in the sense of elation/release/relief if you put in the effort to scout the area, set up, etc and its easy to get a bit worked up.

I don't believe, at least for me, its because of any association with bambi/rudolf or anything so romantic, because I can get that same tinge when a big boar walks out into my hunting area as well, and they are ugly, dangerous beats with no singing kumabata (sp?) in the background.

Squirrels are complete different because frankly, they are stupid easy to get... you can just sit on the ground in just about any hardwood stand with a decent .22 or .17 and get your limit (if you state has one). Plus, you hear them coming from a mile away with all the chatter, foraging, running up and down the bark.


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Jocificus wrote:
I do have a couple people I know that are really good at it though. Grandpa has bagged 40+ deer with his bow over the years, and a next door neighbor is a hunting fiend. Donated his collection to the local state university because it'd gotten far to large to keep in his house (and the storage unit he had set aside for it). He's gone on african hunting safari's, all sorts of stuff. Probably shot hundreds of different animals.

Its a completely personal bias, but I don't consider that hunting. If you aren't going to eat what you shoot, you shouldn't be shooting it (criminals excepted), and killing it just to have a trophy is less than worthless.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:23 am 
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Speaking of which, I was looking at this site in regards to buck fever and though this was interesting:

http://www.buckfever.com/

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In a recent interview with the famous archery coach, Tim Strickland, something he said struck us as very insightful. “In your heightened mental state you think everything is coming apart, but it’s really not. All you have to do is focus on each step and take your normal shot. Don’t worry about how you feel about it.” Strickland’s approach was designed to help Olympic archers overcome throat-tightening moments in competition, but he applies it just as appropriately to his hunting. So should you. The wheels aren’t coming off nearly as quickly as you think they are. Don’t trust your emotions at these times, they are under the influence of adrenaline. Trust your preparation.


I also notice NJ has wild turkey to hunt, that might be a good start for me I think. I wonder if the meat is good? I shall investigate.

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Dash wrote:
I also notice NJ has wild turkey to hunt, that might be a good start for me I think. I wonder if the meat is good? I shall investigate.

Wild turkey, like most wild game, tends to be a lot leaner, so the meat if cooked like farm bred animals, will dry out and be tougher... you won't be cutting wild turkey breast with a butter knife. People that are used to farm raised animals also tend to think wild game has a stronger flavor that is disagreeable if cooked in the "normal" manner. Personally, the few times I have had wild turkey, I liked it better, especially the legs.

As for a good "starter" game... I don't know about that. Turkey hunting takes a lot more skill/training than most of the other typical game animals I can think of, plus in this state, you cannot shoot hens, only toms. It is very, very unlikely you will just walk into the field with standard hunting gear and have any success.

I can think of other things I would look into first.


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Yeah, I thought turkeys are one of the harder things to bag.

Thanks for the feedback on buck fever, and your thoughts on big game hunting. I have similar feelings about that, but I don't feel the same way about "food" hunting, if you will.

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Ladas wrote:
Its a completely personal bias, but I don't consider that hunting. If you aren't going to eat what you shoot, you shouldn't be shooting it (criminals excepted), and killing it just to have a trophy is less than worthless.


I'll agree that just killing an animal to kill it is bad. Many sport hunters actually have something set up to do with the animal remains if they don't use it themselves. I've tried more than a few odd types of meat from this guy before. And it's not like you can bring back hundreds of pounds of meat from Africa very easily, they donate it to the local peoples or there's something else set up to do with the meat.


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Hmm maybe I was just thinking turkeys would be easy since I see them now and then in the local park and they appear pretty oblivious to people at distances of over 20 yards.

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Jocificus wrote:
I'll agree that just killing an animal to kill it is bad. Many sport hunters actually have something set up to do with the animal remains if they don't use it themselves. I've tried more than a few odd types of meat from this guy before. And it's not like you can bring back hundreds of pounds of meat from Africa very easily, they donate it to the local peoples or there's something else set up to do with the meat.

Like I said, its a personal bias, and certainly nothing against you Jocificus, but from my perspective, that is a bogus defense. He isn't there to feed the village, he is there to kill some exotic animal to add to his "resume". Donating the meat, while better than letting it rot in the field, is just a byproduct of his intent.

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Hmm maybe I was just thinking turkeys would be easy since I see them now and then in the local park and they appear pretty oblivious to people at distances of over 20 yards.

Those are 99% likely to be hens or hens with juvenile males, none of which are legal game (at least in SC, but I believe in NJ as well, since they had to be reintroduced to the state a couple decades ago). Toms are solitary except during mating season, and take a lot of effort to call/find.


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