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That's very true. Link please that indicates global temperatures are set for a record high.

Thanks, because I searched and couldn't find it. In fact, I found quite the opposite. Here's an example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1220052/Austria-sees-earliest-snow-history-America-sees-lowest-temperatures-50-years-So-did-global-warming-go.html

Global temperature very much is local temperature. It's just a combined set of local temperature datapoints from around the world, averaged out. Of course, they can't measure everywhere at once, and the earth climate itself doesn't really have a measurable temperature.

I'm seeing a whole lot of datapoints all over the world complaining about 2009's generally frigid nature, but I can't find many complaining it's been much hotter this year.

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Says the man proclaiming that a warm year in the Arctic circle is the sign of the apocalypse.

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ZOMG, there's more ice this year than last year, but it's still less than 1979-2000 average, so it's a clear sign of the end of the world!!!

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When *exactly* did I say anything about a sign of the apocalypse? By the way, you are being *quite* misleading about the "warm year". Either you don't have a real understanding about what the loss of permanent ice means, or you are simply ignoring it. Either way, you are not coming off as particularly rational here.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Is HIGW real or a myth, DFK? You have every national level scientific organization's conclusions to contend with. Go!

(lemmie guess, you're going to use out of context emails to make your case that scientists are somehow a unified conspiracy of agenda-driven schemers, right?)

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

You know my answer, and you're merely flame-baiting and well-poisoning.

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Its a myth. Driven by fearmongering and scare tactics.

There's no consensus, all the data has been fiddled and in some cases blatantly fabricated.

The short answer is "We're not sure. But ZOMG!!!"

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Holy shitsnacks!

Montegue:

There is no science. We have admissions of peer-review fraud; data manipulation; data destruction; and an outright admission of no verifiable baseline data. Your consensus is a myth at best. The science didn't exist and won't exist.

Those are the facts now. The research your little pet issue was based upon doesn't exist and cannot be verified. In the world of real science, do you know what that means?

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They need more funding?

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Holy shitsnacks!

ALOFL

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Why do that, when instead I can simply point out that *nobody* can peer review their works anymore, and that nobody *did* peer review their data before they throw it out?

You can't have a consensus of peer reviewing scholars when there's no peer reviewing. And a consensus of non-peer reviewing scholars is simply propaganda, not science.

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More accurately, evidence is any information, regardless of source or integrity, that supports the agenda...

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Huffpo debunks the stinking pile of crap produced by those trumpeting the email non-scandal

Stewart did a pretty good job of it too. People fundamentally misunderstand the word "trick" for example, to be understood as something deceptive, when it's just jargon. Nothing in the emails actually disprove the science. You can comb over thousands of emails, edit them, or take them out of context and make them sound pretty much however you like (a point made in the link above).

The science is sound, this is just another effort to muddy the waters (and an illegal one, at that, mind you).

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

So, do you have that link that shows 2009 was the warmest year on record?

Huh. I don't think you watched the same John Stewart clip that was posted here...

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No. Of course I don't. It's the 5th. Just because each individual year doesn't climb doesn't mean we aren't in a warming trend.

The AP sent global temperature data to a number of statesthticians recently, and they all agreed, looking at the data (and being blind to it's source) - the data clearly shows that we are warming, not cooling.

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/10/26 ... l-cooling/

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
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Illegal? How?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Oh, I see. It's the 5th? Do you have a link that states this?

No. As have been evidenced by the destruction of raw data in order to push a political agenda, liberal activists do not understand, or have any respect for, real science. This makes them very much like religious fundamentalists in yet another manner.

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Gods, did you look at that huffingtonpost blog entry monte linked? What a load of bullshit...it's more alarmist drivel; a screaming idiot spouting propaganda without facts or data.

Seems to be all the HIGW camp has to offer.

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So does that mean that global warming is not occurring?

Montegue:

The science doesn't exist. You can talk all you want about context or "tricks" and rationalize the situation anyway you wish, but it will not change the truth. The baseline data no longer exists and cannot be reviewed or evaluated for scientific rigor and integrity. Because the only dataset preserved by the CRU is the IPCC homogenized data, it is useless. The science is no longer in; the science is no longer a consensus; it is a fraud. And, amusingly, you call the hack illegal but gloss over the very real and very criminal nature of a mass-scale fraud perpetuated by Trenberth and the CRU. Grant money, government research allocations, private investments, etc., have all been used to pursue the research on this matter. And, because no one can verify the actual research, they have defrauded all of those money sources.

Then, of course, it also has destroyed the credibility of all academics and all academic institutions. The supposed guardians of knowledge and research integrity perpetrated this fraud by colluding to squash dissenting opinions and counter-research.

Anthropogrenic Global Warming and Human Induced Global Climate Change is nothing more than a weak hypothesis with no supporting data at this juncture. There is no viable evidence because of the political agenda pushed by a few. Your outrage at those of us who laugh at the scientific catastrophe before us is misdirected: if you truly believe Human beings have doomed the planet, then you should direct your anger that the "prophets" who have now made it impossible to credibly research and discuss the situation.

Honestly, it's a real shame that you will defend the work of known frauds and charlatans to maintain what is now nothing more than a political and profit position for Al Gore and his partners. Skeptics have long called for more research and scientific rigor in this field. When it is conclusively demonstrated that such research and rigor was lacking, you simply howl that they are misrepresenting the information.

Of course, irony would be that you want the whistle blower prosecuted.

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It means we definitely cannot answer that question, Arathain. And it means, most likely, it is a question we won't be able to answer in our lifetimes. The research has to start over. The baseline data and work has to be redone, with more transparency, more integrity, and more rigor. So, I couldn't answer your question before; I can't answer it now.

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