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 Post subject: Obamacare Propoganda
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:01 pm 
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Any thoughts on eliminating gender as a rating factor (or discrimination per the chart/site) from determining health care premiums?

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If you think about what insurance is, it doesn't make sense to eliminate gender bias for any healthcare that pays for any form of contraception or OB/GYN care.

Insurance is purely based on income vs payouts, and if you're more likely to have to pay out to women than men, than it makes sense that the premiums should be higher.

It's also worth noting, of course, that the way you would equilibrate things would be to make men pay more for services and care that they will never be able to use.

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Sort of like how young men pay more than young women for car insurance?

Also, the source is the National Women's Law Center. I'm sure they're completely unbiased in creating that chart. :roll:

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I demand that my genetic predisposition for cancer, stroke, and heart attack not be discriminated against, too!

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Notice that many of the blue states are some of the most expensive states for health insurance because they disallow gender or age discrimination. For instance, as a 30 year old male who's perfectly healthily living in NJ I have to pay similar rates to everyone else. This ends up being at least $600-$1000 for standard policy, with a decently high deductible. How can auto insurance companies can discriminate, but not health insurance companies? The whole basis for the insurance industry is to discriminate based on pools. That's how they can lower rates for most people, while still protecting their own interests.


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As soon as men can have babies, sure.

Having kids is retarded expensive. ;)

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How can auto insurance companies can discriminate, but not health insurance companies?


They can't anymore, at least not here in CA. Might only be "age discrimination" though.


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The whole basis for the insurance industry is to discriminate based on pools. That's how they can lower rates for most people, while still protecting their own interests remaining in business to provide their services for everybody.

Fixed for the 99%.

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In Rhode Island all health insurance must cover fertility treatments.

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Here you could just pick your options to include or exclude pregnancy/fertility. Price scale accordingly.


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"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.


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Ladas wrote:
"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.



Hehe 219-212 is a strong majority? :) And that is with 34 of his own party voting against it.

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Uncle Fester wrote:
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"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.



Hehe 219-212 is a strong majority? :) And that is with 34 of his own party voting against it.


Not to mention gimmicks in the senate. But yeah - the Supreme Court should not take unprecedented steps to overturn a law that involves unprecedented expansion of the interpretation of the Commerce Clause.


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Does it not disturb any of you that Kagan, who was Solicitor General when these cases were initially brought before the Court, is now sitting on the bench? The decision will be 5/4 in favor of the law.

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Khross wrote:
Does it not disturb any of you that Kagan, who was Solicitor General when these cases were initially brought before the Court, is now sitting on the bench? The decision will be 5/4 in favor of the law.


What does it matter if someone is disturbed by Kagan's presence? As you so often point out, the average American has no say in the election of the person responsible for Supreme Court appointments, even less in the selection of Supreme Court Justices.

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What's disturbing is that she hasn't recused herself.

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Khross wrote:
Does it not disturb any of you that Kagan, who was Solicitor General when these cases were initially brought before the Court, is now sitting on the bench? The decision will be 5/4 in favor of the law.

Has she already said she wont recuse herself?


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TheRiov wrote:
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Does it not disturb any of you that Kagan, who was Solicitor General when these cases were initially brought before the Court, is now sitting on the bench? The decision will be 5/4 in favor of the law.

Has she already said she wont recuse herself?

Um.. Haven't they already heard the case presented?

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Yes, at least 3 days worth.

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For the first time in U.S. History the Supreme Court heard arguments under protest from sitting members--Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas. They requested that Kagan be forcibly recused and Stevens allowed to hear the case in her place, since he was the sitting Justice she replaced and heard the initial arguments. She refused to recuse herself, and now the largest constitutional decision since 1865 has been heard by a tainted bench.

The outcome doesn't matter: the result is invalid and flies in the face of more common and U.S. juridical history than I care to fathom.

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Hmm. What recourse is there to appeal a case tainted at the SC level?

Oh, there isn't one. Way to go, Obama, for completely shitting on the highest court in the land with your pick.

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Well he did say FDR was his role-model.

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I'd love to read the class notes from the Constitutional Law class that Obama taught in Chicago, especially the lessons that centered on Marbury v. Madison.


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Before the Civil, two people would have been, at the very least, shot on the Capitol steps for this situation ...

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Khross wrote:
For the first time in U.S. History the Supreme Court heard arguments under protest from sitting members--Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas. They requested that Kagan be forcibly recused and Stevens allowed to hear the case in her place, since he was the sitting Justice she replaced and heard the initial arguments. She refused to recuse herself, and now the largest constitutional decision since 1865 has been heard by a tainted bench.


While I have seen lots of discussion about Kagan (and Thomas) recusing themselves from this, I haven't yet see anything about the three judges you listed participating in the case under protest, and given that Thomas is in the same situation (from a liberal standpoint), I am skeptical he would act as such a lightning rod. Where did you get this information and can you provide a link?


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