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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:46 am 
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One-time test to get a "Voter's License" or do you have to pass this assessment @ each election?


Each election. If you do not have certain cognitive skills, you no longer qualify to vote.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:24 pm 
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Therein lies the beauty of the Starship Troopers system. The veterans didn't ask anyone else's opinion. They took control.


That's called a military coup. Starship Troopers form of government is a rather relaxed form of junta.


Not exactly. It's all the veterans, not those that happened to be in the military at the time.

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I am in favor of some kind of Meritocracy. However, willingness to volunteer for military service has nothing to do with the qualities I'd like to see in those who would run a government. (or even vote.)


Again, the premise is that you're willing to volunteer for service, not military service, and for a fairly brief time all in all. If that quality is not one you'd like to see in people voting or in government, then any nation you'd set up is unlikely to meet the three immutable strategic goals that every nation must achieve to survive.

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It's popular among military nuts who can't fathom a contribution to society outside of military service.


It helps if you read the book and understand it before spouting ignorant one-liners.

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At a glance, a meritocracy sounds grand. However, the reality is that those in power determine how "merit" is defined.

A high percentage of those in control will be veterans - this is not necessarily a problem, but as history teaches us, military in control tends to be problematic.

Teaching gets you citizenship - which merely puts education under the control of the Federal government in the extreme.

It codifies a second class of citizens. Granted, any of these can change their status at any time, which is better, but... still.

There's problems. It's not necessarily the devil, but it's not good. It's ripe for unrest, and over-control.

No system is perfect, but this model would go downhill fast.


Hardly. A high percentage in control would be veterans, but that does not translate to "the military is in control" and veterans come in pretty much the same breadth of political opinion as everyone else.

I don't see how you think this system would go downhill fast. Unrest is very easy to squash in this sytem because those engaging in unrest have really no argument. They can gain the franchise with a fairly minor investment of effort, and even without that they have freedom of speech. Or, to put it another way, if you can't put up with being told what to do for 2 years as a young adult, you don't need a voice in telling everyone else what to do; you can express your opinion but you don't get a vote, and shouldn't. Furthermore, the inherent unwillingness or inability of those engaging in "unrest" to put up with that kind of structure would rather preclude them ever forming effective resistance.

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Apparently a little history lesson in order ...

Heinlein plagiarized the Terran Federation's meritocracy from Marcus Aurelius. Remind me how it played out in the real world ...

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Marcus Aurelius did okay until he let nepotism get the better of him.

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