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Apparently, because as it is ...

I fail to see how Aizle can be displeased in a situation in which businesses are self-regulating themselves through the government. This would seem to satisfy his "political" statements; unfortunately, since we know he's not pleased with the current circumstances, I can only conclude that his disintegrated position on the matter is a result of social materialism.

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Corporations don't "regulate themselves" through government. They regulate other corporations through government. The only reason we don't have a big council of CEOs running the country is you essentially have dozens of arguing robber-barons lobbying to regulate each other.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I think you're missing the point.

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Yah! We're back to picking apart grammar!

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That's because a rather large contingent of people on these forums cannot fathom that procedural rules are kind of important to process-based communication.

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That's also the problem people have with mathematics.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Communication is also transactional.

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No, the problem with mathematics is that we allow an imaginary concept to approximate finite measures.

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Since importance is relative, I'd have to counter by saying: "Meh."

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You allow an imaginary concept to approximate all perception.

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This hits it on the head, not to mention innumerable non-corporate entities getting into the game, and the media, which is mostly corporations in and of itself, except that they only care about regulating or not regulating other corporations to the extent that it generates outrage news.

Any discussion of this issue that refers to what "government" does or wants or what "corporations" do or want is an oversimplifcation to the point of uselessness.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I don't understand what you're saying, could you rephrase it in the form of a critique on the proper usage of 17th century grammar?

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Why don't you read the entire content of a post next time, especially when it already addresses arguments you made in response, McDouchenstein.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Considering the gross inaccuracy of Taly's statement, it doesn't hit any nails or any heads. One of these days you should avail yourself of the ostensibly "public records" documenting the 537 elected positions in the Federal government.

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While you and khross sit there in your soliptical worlds where nothing is real, I'll sit over here with concrete logic and science and laugh.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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You will? What's real? In fact, how, precisely, are we communicating right now? What's language? What's a word? What's a sign? How much Claude Levi-Strauss and Ferdinand de Saussure have you read? Are you up on your psychoanalytic structuralism?

There's no solipsism here, Taly. We're talking about the last ~150 years of Western social constructivism, history, policy, and cultural dynamics. We're talking about structural anthropology and actual morphological comparisons of societies, social groups, and other organizational systems. We're talking all this neat stuff going on in the world: politics, culture, language, art, thought, science, research, and cold hard logic.

Hegel
Marx
Freud

It doesn't matter who you read: George Bataille, Michel Foucault, Jacques Lacan, Soren Kierkegaard, Jean Paul Sartre, Friederich Nietzsche, ...

It doesn't matter which scientists you read or study; or what math you use.

Our governments, our corporations, our scientists, our "structures" are all guided by the same dispassionate, mechanistic apparatus: materialism. We've commodified people; we have institutionalized slavery at such a high level that people quibble on a digital heterotopia over the inevitability of government exertions of force. You want to talk about science ...

"Uncertainty is not at all uncertain; it is very precisely defined" -- Nigel Calder

All communication is done through abstraction and imaginary concepts. Words are signs: dialectical objects that point to a signified and signifier. The thing itself is real, but we can only communicate it to each other via approximations of our individual perceptions. Language commodifies reality. (And that's basically about 150 years of really smart people writing smart things condensed into 25 words).

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A true scientist is the first to admit they "know" nothing and that theories are never "concrete". In another 50 years when someone re-proves that the Earth is flat I'll be sure to drag my *** across Einstein's grave and giggle for you.

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Sure thing, Morpheus.



You have that wrong. Yes, a true scientist is always trying to find out what we don't know, and find flaws in what we do know. That doesn't mean we "know nothing" and nothing is ever "concrete." Through observation and testing and actual, real life use, certain things are known beyond any possible doubt. Oh, if you go far enough into underlying causes, we eventually hit unmapped areas. The earth being roughly spherical is not something we'll ever unlearn, despite the crackpots that make you weep for humanity in your signature. 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in cases of exceptionally large values of 2.)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The only thing most people know about true scientists is that they study something hard.

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Do you have any idea how ignorant you just made yourself sound?

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I think most people have a definition of science that is simultaneously woefully too narrow and exorbitantly broad.

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It doesn't matter the original source. (1) The Matrix was actually interesting, unlike the philosophical crap. (2) Either way, it's sophistry. There is no question as to what is real. There's not some grand mystery at work, existence itself requires no questions as to meaning or purpose or its very nature. It makes for an entertaining mental game of sudoku, but that's all it is, a game. It's trivial and has no actual bearing on...well...reality. In this sense, the average chipmunk is smarter than humanity, for not dwelling on such garbage as if it actually had genuine relevance.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Except it's not. How are we communicating, Taly? What are discussing?

You seem to think reality is knowable in some absolute, concrete sense. That's a perspective problem: that kind of absolutism is emblematic of materialism and high level social nihilism. The scientists you laud; the thinkers you like to quote; all of these people are trying to figure out that "grand mystery." The "grand mystery" has never been what constitutes the real; rather, it's how the real exist. How is what's important. How is that question that never gets answered. I don't care about why. I don't care about what.

It's real if it bleeds -- George Bataille.

I care about how. How do we communicate? How does language work? How do we transmit "knowing"? Your definition of science is woefully narrow. Your definition of reality is excessively limited. Your own "practical apatheism" is simply a manifestation of perceptual limits. It results from your ability to even perceive the evidence of the knowledge you want. Except, that kind of actuality isn't limited to perceptions of the divine, supernatural, or otherwise not exactly discernible to the physical machine that is your body.

You want to talk about science? Then let's start with the first principle of all knowledge: perception is always local.

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"Materialism" of a sense is the only rational view. I say "of a sense" because "Materialism" itself is the philosophy that matter and energy are the only things that exist. That's like "hard atheism," the emphatic statement that "God does not exist." It's not logical to deny the existence of God, but it is logical to ignore the entire concept of god until real, empirical for a divine being surfaces. Like the proverbial garden pixies, invisible pink unicorn, or flying spaghetti monster, human constructs of God are entirely fabricated and without empirical basis. So the logical thing to do is to simply ignore them except in the context of fiction. Likewise, there is no evidence that anything other than matter and energy exist (and the fabric of space-time itself) exists. There's no reason to even consider counterclaims unless they also present real evidence.

Call it a "soft-materialism" and I'd say only the soft-materialist has any rational sense at all.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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This has nothing to do with religion or spirituality. This has to do with science.

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