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Talya
 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit (2011)
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The human eye & brain system samples images at 16-17 frames per second.


As an equivalency, yes. The human brain does not sample images digitally in discrete frames, as I understand it, so it's not a perfect comparison. If it was, people would see no difference at all between 24 and 60 FPS, and we most definitely do see a difference.

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Oh, no! Framerates that make sense!

I hate that we demand 60fps of our video games and 24fps (BLARGHHHH) for our movies.


Remember that a rendered frame in a game represents an exact instant of time. A frame on film does not. A frame on film shows everything that happened in the just-under 1/24th of a second that the shutter was open. So we get motion blur. This doesn't look blurry to us, because our brain does it anyway. Video games have a hard time with motion blur. Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast made good use of it in lightsaber animations, but other than that, I've never seen it put to good effect. So we notice choppiness as the movement does not appear fluid.

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Blurs, motion or otherwise, should be done in post. Recording at a higher frame rate gives nothing but a higher quality proof to start your work from. Try panning your head across the room but keeping your eyes still, that's the same "soap opera" effect, happening because your eyes aren't twitching and losing focus. Motion blur isn't built into our world and our cameras shouldn't be capturing it. The technology isn't the problem, the problem is producers leaving the effect as-is all the time instead of using blur intelligently.
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Lenas wrote:
Blurs, motion or otherwise, should be done in post. Recording at a higher frame rate gives nothing but a higher quality proof to start your work from. Try panning your head across the room but keeping your eyes still, that's the same "soap opera" effect, happening because your eyes aren't twitching and losing focus. Motion blur isn't built into our world and our cameras shouldn't be capturing it. The technology isn't the problem, the problem is producers leaving the effect as-is all the time instead of using blur intelligently.


That's not true. While we can't get motion blur by turning our head, we DO get it from things we don't focus on. Focus on a lightpost and the racecars going by it will have motion blur, your retina and visual processing center can't process the change in the image fast enough.

Also, camera will ALWAYS have motion blur. It's not something movie cameramen do intentionally. At 24 fps, each frame will have just under 1/24th of a second of movement captured on it. At 48fps, it will still have just under 1/48th of a second of movement captured on it. There's LESS motion blur, but it will still be there. You do not want them to intentionally cut this motion blur time without also increasing FPS anyway. At 60fps, each frame should have almost 1/60th of a second of motion captured on it.

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Sure, blur in a very strict sense will be around until we have 1 million FPS cameras or some tech that does away with frames, but my point stands. Nothing we observe has a natural blur, that's just how we perceive things. If we could freeze time, would that a race car leave behind a shadow trail Johnny Cage style? No, that stupid **** only happens in movies and TV. It'd be stopped exactly where it was at that point in time.
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Chronotopic relationships are inseparable, just fyi.

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Throw me a bone here, put your science fiction hat on.
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Lenas wrote:
...fiction...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronotope

I did throw on my fiction hat.

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The scene ends with the dwarves coming to Bilbo's rescue in a big battle against the trolls.


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Chronotopic relationships are inseparable, just fyi.


Yeah. Let's not go there.

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The scene ends with the dwarves coming to Bilbo's rescue in a big battle against the trolls.


Wait, what? LAME


I saw that too... :psyduck:

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The scene ends with the dwarves coming to Bilbo's rescue in a big battle against the trolls.


Wait, what? LAME


What did you expect? This is the same **** idiot that brought you elves at Helm's Deep and Arwen taking Frodo to Rivendell on horseback.

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Think a 4 year old would enjoy the 1977 version? loves dragons, wizards, doesn't know what a hobbit or dwarf is.

I don't remember it being a hard movie to follow, but I don't remember being 4 very well either.
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Sure, if he likes singing and stuff. My son (now 7) loves it (even though, yeah, it is hard to follow).

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Sure, if he likes singing and stuff. My son (now 7) loves it (even though, yeah, it is hard to follow).


Yeah there are songs, but they are catchy. And even better? They are written by Tolkien. They just took the songs from the book itself and set it to music.

On top of that, it will help your children get all Lemmiwinks' references on South Park when they get older.

In all seriousness, I *do* remember being four years old. I can't think of anything super scary in it that would give him traumatizing nightmares. The orcs are a little scary, and Gollum is a little sinister, but parental guidance is suggested.

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Heh, I'm the guy who just skips over all the songs and stuff in Tolkien's works.

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Did we say two-parter? We meant to say Trilogy.........
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/30/entertainment-us-hobbit-idUSBRE86T0Y820120730
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LOS ANGELES | Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:53pm EDT

(Reuters) - Peter Jackson's film adaptation of "The Hobbit" will be split into three movies, the director and the studios behind the venture said on Monday.

Jackson said that given the richness of the story -- which is set 60 years before "The Lord of The Rings" -- he decided after wrapping up shooting recently in New Zealand that what was originally planned as two movies would now be a trilogy.

"I'm delighted that New Line, MGM and Warner Bros. are equally enthusiastic about bringing fans this expansive tale across three films," Jackson said in a statement.

"It has been an unexpected journey indeed, and in the words of Professor Tolkien himself, 'a tale that grew in the telling'," Jackson said in a statement on his Facebook site.

"The Hobbit," written by J.R.R. Tolkien, is the prequel to the British author's epic fantasy "The Lord of the Rings," which Jackson made into three Oscar-winning films about 10 years ago.

A spokesman for New Line said the third "Hobbit" film would be released in the summer of 2014. The first two "Hobbit" movies, starring British actor Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins, have already been announced for release in December 2012 and December 2013.

"It is only at the end of a shoot that you finally get the chance to sit down and have a look at the film you have made," Jackson said on his Facebook page.

"We know how much of the story of Bilbo Baggins, the Wizard Gandalf, the Dwarves of Erebor, the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur will remain untold if we do not take this chance," he added.

(Reporting by Jill Serjeant; Editing by Christine Kearney and Dale Hudson)

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How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? One... ta-hooo... three...*crunch* Three.

How many movies does it take to recreate a single Hobbit book? One... ta-hooo... three...*greed* Three.

http://blastr.com/2012/07/confirmed-peter-jacksons.php

If they "trimmed things down" in LOTR because the movies weren't long enough to fit everything in the books, then there better not not be a single, minute thing missing from the Hobbit book. At all. Nothing missing (I'm looking at you, Beorn). In the words of Alice 'n' Chains, "No excuses."

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Damn it moo, I was in the middle of typing. :(


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Now there will be more time for more "feminine energy." :roll:

Snark aside, take my money now. Except that I will wait for the bluray 12 disc set with all six extended edition films. Hopefully I will have enough equity in my house by then to finance the purchase.
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Beorn? Seriously? It'll be a **** act of God if Jackson can manage to leave the troll scene alone.

By which I mean, Jesus ain't around to perform miracles anymore, so I don't expect it to happen.

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What a **** Peter Jackson is.

The Hobbit: 304 pages
The Fellowship of the Ring: 479
The Two Towers: 415
The Return of the King: 347

Even with the DLC from appendices and the similarion I don't see how he can justify 1 movie each for LOTR volumes but three for the Hobbit. I thought Harry Potter was terrible with the 2 year, one movie wait... Three years to see one book of content? Suck it, Jackson.
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I think it would be safe to say, that with 20/20 hindsight, PJ would probably have made 6 LotR movies following the breakdown of the books more or less.
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Lonedar wrote:
I think it would be safe to say, that with 20/20 hindsight, PJ would probably have made 6 LotR movies following the breakdown of the books more or less.


This is part of it for sure, as the Hobbit will be a completely safe bet, so it's more money.

But part of it is also that there is more action per page in the Hobbit.
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Better not be a dull second or an 87 minute movie.

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