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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:28 pm 
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In Pa if an animal is attacking another person or a pet it can be shot.

Dogs run towards people all the time, usually to slobber and lick.

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If I pulled out my gun and shot every dog that ran towards me barking... well, I'd have killed a lot of dogs. I also can't imagine it going over very well if I went to a police officers house and shot their dog when it ran up to me barking.


Do dogs really come running up to you barking with that much regularity? I can't say I've had it happen all that often and I've never lived anywhere that dogs came up to me in a hostile manner on anything like a regular basis. You can tell whether an animal is hostile pretty easily. I have had an angry dog come charging up to me and my wife and our baby carriage in the past though, and I'd have shot the hell out of it if I'd had a gun. If someone doesn't like that, **** them.

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I'm not saying police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves from dogs, but it's not like they're the only people in the country who deal with other people's dogs. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them not to shoot em up at every chance they get.


They don't shoot dogs "every chance they get", although this will no doubt be followed by hysterical pointing to anecdotal evidence that police officers do, in fact, shoot dogs from time to time. Mail carriers have to defend themselves against dogs all the time, and carry multiple cans of pepper spray for it. The only reason they don't carry guns is that postal regulations forbid it.

More police officers than not own dogs or other animals, and are fond of them. Police officers take no more pleasure in killing dogs or any other animal than anyone else does.

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No, the situation is not unacceptable. The police officer came there on valid police business. The dog came towards him and he had little time to react; there are only 3 seconds between when we hear anything indicating he saw the dog, and when the shot was actually fired.

There's no issue of "training"; either poor, or not following it whatsoever. What other training would there be? Just forget about the complaint and run away to make sure a dog doesn't get shot? I'm sure the victim would really appreciate that. Stand there and wait to see if you get bit? Yeah, great plan. There is no way for the officer to know ahead of time if that dog was likely to bite him or not.


If this is how cops believe they should operate, then **** them. **** them all. Anyone who operates like this is an *******.


**** you. The only reason that cop was even there was because someone reported a crime and gave the wrong address. Anyone that thinks they should operate differently is an *******.

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Diamondeye wrote:
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If this is how cops believe they should operate, then **** them. **** them all. Anyone who operates like this is an *******.


**** you. The only reason that cop was even there was because someone reported a crime and gave the wrong address. Anyone that thinks they should operate differently is an *******.


Yeah, ok. Question for ya:

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Mail carriers have to defend themselves against dogs all the time, and carry multiple cans of pepper spray for it. The only reason they don't carry guns is that postal regulations forbid it.


How well does this work? If pepper spray as a defense against dogs is adequate for federal mail carriers, why is its use not appropriate for cops? Cops pretty much all carry it, do they not?

How big is a dog's tooth? 2 inches? If a 40-60 lb human ran up to you with a 2 inch knife in his hand would you shoot him?

I don't care why the cop was there. This behavior is an ******* move. This cop is an *******. Individuals who put protocols in place to encourage this sort of behavior are assholes.


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There is a reason dogs are used by police and in the military, far above and beyond their sensory capabilities. Your average good-sized dog is far more lethal than a human one on one if the human is unarmed.

Why do you think wolves were so feared?


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Why do you think wolves were so feared?

Because they hunt in packs, for one.

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That's not the only reason though. A individual wolf was still a thing to be feared.

Why do you think they were so often the villains in children's stories?
(Red Riding Hood, 3 Little Pigs, Peter & the Wolf, Boy who cried wolf)


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
How well does this work? If pepper spray as a defense against dogs is adequate for federal mail carriers, why is its use not appropriate for cops? Cops pretty much all carry it, do they not?


Did you not get the part where I said postal carriers are prohibited from having guns on duty? He was going to a call involving a reported violent individual; the proper thing to do was have his gun out, and based on the information he was given, there was good reason to think the man he was confronting was that individual. If he'd had to transition to pepper spray, that dog could have been all over him.

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How big is a dog's tooth? 2 inches? If a 40-60 lb human ran up to you with a 2 inch knife in his hand would you shoot him?


You are aware that a dog's physiology is totally different from a human's, right? Do you really think that a dog of a given weight is somehow an equivalent threat to a human of that size? I'll tell you what, let's take an armed criminal and we'll send a 90-lb German Shepherd dog after it, and then a skinny 8th grader with a small knife. Let's see who does better. :roll:

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I don't care why the cop was there. This behavior is an ******* move. This cop is an *******. Individuals who put protocols in place to encourage this sort of behavior are assholes.


If you don't care why the cop is there, that makes you the *******. 350,000 people seen in emergency rooms annually for dog bites, and another 500,000 on top of that for other medical treatment. 4.5 million dog bites, annually in this country. Dog bites can cause permanent injury.

I don't know why I should answer any more of your questions, when all you want to do is scream about "assholes!" like some 16-year-old who is mad that the adults won't do things his way. Yeah, he's an "*******" for not wanting to get bitten by a dog. **** you. Do us all a favor and never call the police.

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That's not the only reason though. A individual wolf was still a thing to be feared.

Why do you think they were so often the villains in children's stories?
(Red Riding Hood, 3 Little Pigs, Peter & the Wolf, Boy who cried wolf)


Oh, ****, this was a wild wolf? I thought it was a dog, but I did know the cop was a pig.

I suppose that does change things a bit.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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That's not the only reason though. A individual wolf was still a thing to be feared.

Why do you think they were so often the villains in children's stories?
(Red Riding Hood, 3 Little Pigs, Peter & the Wolf, Boy who cried wolf)


Oh, ****, this was a wild wolf? I thought it was a dog, but I did know the cop was a pig.

I suppose that does change things a bit.


It's astounding that you want to act like this and honestly expect your opinion to be taken seriously. People like you are the reason that the courts make rules for the police, not the public.

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Threads like this are why Hellfire has a bad name.

Do any of you EVER stop to think before running your mouth?

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