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Yeah, when I saw Arathain's post in that Kirra thread, I laughed and considered it a mildly funny joke. I was completely baffled by the response to it, and honestly I still am. I just don't understand how it is possible to not see that as a joke. That people took it as serious, and actually left the board over it? I have trouble even comprehending the thought process.


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I think the thing with Arathain was pretty minor. There was the argument with Rynar right before it, which was a lot worse. I think the thing with Arathain was just a realization that "hey, I just don't really want to be here" on Kirra's part.

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Again, absent context one could maybe argue that Khross was just trying to use a jarring personal example to better communicate his point to TheRiov, but we all know that's not the case. Khross has repeatedly expressed intense feelings of animosity toward TheRiov, and I find it implausible that he was merely trying to communicate rather than cut. I'm not saying the suspension was warranted; nor am I saying it wasn't. I'm not really arguing about the standards of Hellfire one way or the other. I'm just saying, let's not play the "I'm not touching you...I'm not touching you...I'm not touching you..." game and pretend that we aren't aware of the context surrounding Khross' comment and the clear intent behind it.


I think Taly covered it pretty well in her post, but I'm not arguing that he was solely and purely trying to communicate. Rather, I'm making the distinction between the comment as a "personal attack" and a comment that makes uncomfortable suggestions on the way to making a point. And in fact, in light of the past threads, I'd say the point he was trying to make was especially valid, as they are cases of correlation bridging into causation that TheRiov is distinctly uncomfortable with when made against him.

It's not nice, but as Taly pointed out, communication here doesn't have to be "nice". It just has to not cross the huge and far placed lines surrounding "don't be an *******". And since Arathain is pushing for a permanent ban based on over-the-line personal attacks, that's what I'm responding to.

I don't feel Khross's comments were "nice". But I don't think they were libelous personal attacks and accusations, either.


They may not have been libelous or accusatory, but the fact that they were technically logical does not automatically also mean they weren't personal attacks of a sort. This is not a matter of Khross simply trying to illustrate a point. It's a matter of him purposefully trying to get under the skin of someone he just doesn't like.. and not because he's had to "intervene" or any of that sort of thing either. To be fair, TheRiov was egging him on, but the matter of Russian wolf folklore or whatever it was really didn't pertain even to the question of animal behavior all that closely, much less call for implying that the person everyone thinks is sexually creepy already could be confused with an actual sex offender.

It really should not be necessary to use highly personal examples to illustrate a point. The point should be able to stand without them. One's point is not somehow stronger just because you managed to piss your opponent off.

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And since Arathain is pushing for a permanent ban based on over-the-line personal attacks, that's what I'm responding to.


I'm not, actually. I only voiced my opinion on its worthiness for such.

But I'm not pushing for that for several reasons.

First, nobody cares what I think about it; I have no illusions about that.

Second, it's not my fight.

Last, if it were my fight, I'd lean toward the shovel option, personally. Real-world statements demand real-world answers. Mostly it's a matter of speaking to people properly. If it were metaphorical, fine, it's possible if that were said to my face he might have enough time to explain. I suspect that few, however, would make such a remark (metaphorical or not) to someone's face. And that's my issue, at least. I have a tendency to hold posters to the same standard I hold individuals speaking to me. For good or ill.


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Maybe you hang around in different crowds than I do.

That's exactly the kind of statement I'd see made among my friend and peer groups in order to drive home a point to someone not getting it.

But then, most of us have the wherewithal to not get all bent out of shape about a hypothetical (granted, a close to home hypothetical) posed to personalize an argument.

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Maybe you hang around in different crowds than I do.

That's exactly the kind of statement I'd see made among my friend and peer groups in order to drive home a point to someone not getting it.

But then, most of us have the wherewithal to not get all bent out of shape about a hypothetical (granted, a close to home hypothetical) posed to personalize an argument.


We're not talking about friends. Would you say such a thing to a stranger? Or rough acquaintance for that matter?

I think most of us have the wherewithal to assess how to properly make a point under such circumstances.


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I've been here posting 7 years, and you've been a semi-active-to-active poster that entire time. I think pretty much all of us know each other better than "acquaintance", especially in regard to the topics that generally come up on the board.

So far you've said, implied, or given the impression of the following:

- you pretty much don't care what anyone else thinks, or about convincing them of anything
- you don't think anyone else cares what you think
- you don't think anyone here is much more than an "acquaintance"
- you don't seem to pay much attention to anyone else; witness Kirra being a nurse, which has been stated over and over and she even posted pictures of herself

I think your approach to the board is rather more distant than the typical person with your regularity of posting.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Maybe you hang around in different crowds than I do.

That's exactly the kind of statement I'd see made among my friend and peer groups in order to drive home a point to someone not getting it.

But then, most of us have the wherewithal to not get all bent out of shape about a hypothetical (granted, a close to home hypothetical) posed to personalize an argument.


We're not talking about friends. Would you say such a thing to a stranger? Or rough acquaintance for that matter?

I think most of us have the wherewithal to assess how to properly make a point under such circumstances.


Do you really think any of as are strangers or rough acquaintances, though? We talk to each other too much for that. We may not all be close friends, but we're definitely part of a similar "peer group", as it were, which puts us several steps past rough acquaintances.

And yes, if I thought it was worth the trouble of arguing with someone, I definitely would put it into terms that would let them see an argument through a personal lens. Hence, Aizle's statement to LK, or Khross's statement to TheRiov. And I'm sure there are a lot more that I've forgotten over the years. Personalizing an argument to give someone a new perspective is quite valid.

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I am confused by the Arathain thing. What does Kirra being a nurse have to do with anything?

Let's flip it:

Me: I was changing a tire and the car fell off the jack. It narrowly missed breaking my leg!
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Me: **** you, I like my leg not broken!
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NephyrS wrote:
And yes, if I thought it was worth the trouble of arguing with someone, I definitely would put it into terms that would let them see an argument through a personal lens. Hence, Aizle's statement to LK, or Khross's statement to TheRiov. And I'm sure there are a lot more that I've forgotten over the years. Personalizing an argument to give someone a new perspective is quite valid.

It depends on your relationship with the person in question and how and why you personalize the argument. Khross can't stand TheRiov and everyone knows it; he personalized his argument by alluding to a particularly loathsome insult that Khross himself has implied or agreed with in the past; and given the foregoing, he almost certainly alluded to it in part to take another shot at TheRiov along those same lines. He wasn't just trying to give TheRiov a new perspective; he was trying to insult and offend the guy.


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NephyrS wrote:
And yes, if I thought it was worth the trouble of arguing with someone, I definitely would put it into terms that would let them see an argument through a personal lens. Hence, Aizle's statement to LK, or Khross's statement to TheRiov. And I'm sure there are a lot more that I've forgotten over the years. Personalizing an argument to give someone a new perspective is quite valid.


Personalizing the argument to give the other person a new perspective is valid as far as it goes, but when it's but in terms of a highly sensitive personal issue, that isn't just "giving them a new perspective." It's baiting. There's also the question of whether the person trying to give the other person a new perspective should be doing so in the first place. Just because you can come up with a point-scoring way to frame what you have to say does not automatically mean you're basic point has merit.

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I've always been a fan of no moderation.

No moderation you get two butts hurt plus anyone else who might put their butt in the hurt zone.

Without you get multiple threads sharing the butthurtedness to others.

Two people want to type angrily at each other - let them. People want to pick sides - let them.

I mean first Hellfire was created. Then the previous hellfire was supposed to go in heckfire and hellfire is a free for all.

If someone PM's a mod about a non-site-stopping-illegal post in Hellfire rip the person who PM's you a knew ******* for them to be future butthurt in.

Hellfire should be unmoderated.

But hell lets look practically - what has moderation of hellfire every gained us?

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As far as Kirra goes, I think there were other factors going on in her life that may have affected her interpretation of what was read in the R&R thread.

I don't blame her one bit, not that Arathain's comment was actually incendiary, but it's what she has going on that affected what she read.

Face it, we don't know each other and can't possibly understand why someone would react to something when it's "clearly" not an insult.

To throw the blame on someone because you don't know why they would react the way they did is silly.

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Merge Hellfire and Heckfire into one forum.. call it "The Cesspool"....

Or "Hades"... or "Inferno".. or in English.. just "Hell"...

Then put the banner text as "Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here..."

Seems fitting ...


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As long as nothing illegal happens, there should be 0 moderation in this section and very harsh penalties should be given to those who bring it out of Hellfire.

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I've been here posting 7 years, and you've been a semi-active-to-active poster that entire time. I think pretty much all of us know each other better than "acquaintance", especially in regard to the topics that generally come up on the board.

So far you've said, implied, or given the impression of the following:

- you pretty much don't care what anyone else thinks, or about convincing them of anything
- you don't think anyone else cares what you think
- you don't think anyone here is much more than an "acquaintance"
- you don't seem to pay much attention to anyone else; witness Kirra being a nurse, which has been stated over and over and she even posted pictures of herself


#1: This is true of some topics, and some strong opinions. Case in point: "*******" cop - I feel strongly about it. You clearly don't. Convincing you is a waste of time, and vice versa. Your statement above is accurate, but not in a broad sense.
#2: See #1. And I think that statement was in regards to my view on moderation actions. People shouldn't care, because I'm not a moderator. Therefore, I can throw out statements off the cuff and not worry about it. If I were a moderator, people would care, and I'd have to be more careful about what I say in that regard.
#3: This is true. I don't know you guys. I know a good bit about some of you, and a good bit more about your general views. This isn't to say I don't like you guys, but especially in terms of real life situations (which is where Khross's comment veered) I can't say we're much more than that.
#4: On the real life side, I actually steer away where I can. Actively. I'm sure that will rub some of you the wrong way, but it's best for me. I can barely keep up with what's going on with folks in real life. I was guild leader when I played EQ, and got completely sucked into everyone's personal lives, problems, and drama, and it was nice, but at the same time it was heartbreaking and extremely time consuming.

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I think your approach to the board is rather more distant than the typical person with your regularity of posting.


Likely. Still, I don't think it could be argued that Khross and TRV are friends.

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Do you really think any of as are strangers or rough acquaintances, though? We talk to each other too much for that. We may not all be close friends, but we're definitely part of a similar "peer group", as it were, which puts us several steps past rough acquaintances.


Arguably. But at some level Khross and TRV may be starting each conversation from a worse standpoint than strangers.

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And yes, if I thought it was worth the trouble of arguing with someone, I definitely would put it into terms that would let them see an argument through a personal lens. Hence, Aizle's statement to LK, or Khross's statement to TheRiov. And I'm sure there are a lot more that I've forgotten over the years. Personalizing an argument to give someone a new perspective is quite valid.


Perfectly valid. But, watch how you do it. If I recall, Aizle's statement was in a thread somehow related to the subject. There was nothing in this situation related to what Khross said. Of all the comparisons available, he went as far out as he could possibly reach for one. Don't do that. Think of Limbaugh and the girl he called a slut. Even if his statement, comparison, the point he was making was completely valid (we've debated this already, not weighing in here), I STILL would have been perfectly satisfied seeing her slap the bejeezus out of him. Play the shock value card, that's what you deserve.


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Are we going to keep these stickied up here forever?

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Not sure why it was ever stickied. Peeps got uppity, peeps got squashed. Next.


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I think I put in a 7 day sticky. Didn't really need it, after all.

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And...I am watching TheRiov circumvent his ban by logging on to an RP alt.

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And the first thing I did when I logged into the account was PM Mookhow that I was doing and verified it was Ok.

And if I wanted to hide from YOU I could simply log on as hidden. Or not log in at all and still browse. But I like my Glade theme and find the default theme too bright.
If I wanted to hide form the board admins I'd have to log on from another IP address with another account--

But simply reading the board without logging in (like I assume Khross did) the Admins could easily tell where I was logging in from.

Long story short, I wasn't trying to hide anything, nor was I doing anything wrong.


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I addressed the concern about RP alts already in this post: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8500&p=200464#p200464

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But simply reading the board without logging in (like I assume Khross did) the Admins could easily tell where I was logging in from.

If you were reading from a known IP, yes. But again, that's not behavior that can be stopped, at least not without blocking that IP. And then it's a trivial matter to come at it from another IP. Figuring out who is from any random IP is a different matter. For instance, here's a section of my apache log from today.
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198.228.200.145 - - [03/May/2012:11:30:27 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "-" "Dalvik/1.4.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.6; SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 Build/GINGERBREAD)"
198.228.200.145 - - [03/May/2012:11:30:28 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://drakul.nsc.xo.net" "Mozilla/5.0 Firefox/3.5.6"
198.96.178.33 - - [03/May/2012:11:46:40 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8503" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; InfoPath.1; MS-RTC LM 8)"
71.198.208.180 - - [03/May/2012:11:48:29 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/5.0)"
166.147.99.132 - - [03/May/2012:12:17:05 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3"
98.164.27.108 - - [03/May/2012:12:29:30 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.168 Safari/535.19"
67.235.236.134 - - [03/May/2012:12:43:31 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&start=150" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B176 Safari/7534.48.3"
153.31.113.27 - - [03/May/2012:12:50:22 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&p=200959" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MS-RTC LM 8; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)"
184.78.246.188 - - [03/May/2012:12:52:20 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&start=150" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)"
198.228.200.143 - - [03/May/2012:12:53:20 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&start=150" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B179 Safari/7534.48.3"
12.54.94.21 - - [03/May/2012:13:04:37 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&start=150" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MS-RTC LM 8; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)"
143.235.201.9 - - [03/May/2012:13:38:24 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.1"
76.121.66.83 - - [03/May/2012:14:03:21 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0"
75.72.126.175 - - [03/May/2012:14:23:48 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET4.0E)"
67.184.8.25 - - [03/May/2012:14:31:37 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&p=200959" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0"
71.227.13.159 - - [03/May/2012:14:47:17 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8500" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B176 Safari/7534.48.3"
208.54.32.189 - - [03/May/2012:14:59:34 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "-" "Dalvik/1.6.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.0.4; Nexus S Build/IMM76D)"
68.84.98.186 - - [03/May/2012:15:03:55 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 200 8637 "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8380&start=300" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/5.0)"
12.37.144.20 - - [03/May/2012:15:05:03 -0500] "GET /~jbeasley/ackbar-128.png HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5037&start=150" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)"

Can you tell me who is who? Heck, there's even hints in there if you want to cross-reference some of the tech threads discussing new smartphones and who has admitted to owning what.

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Teekeela wrote:
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You don't post for 18 months and come back just to post here?


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Teekeela wrote:
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IMHO TheRiov was being quite the *** and in his defense, Khross responded in the same vein. Anyone else might have done the same, given the circumstances. I know I would have, especially after some of the other things that TheRiov has said in the past.

/awaits the ban stick


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TheRiov has been creepily baiting people for years. Khross has intervened repeatedly when it was aimed at other people (many of whom refuse to post here any more.) This time he was the victim of the pattern of bullying and taunting.

This is like blaming a kid for knocking their long term tormentor down.


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Teekeela wrote:
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You don't post for 18 months and come back just to post here?


Apparently she thought it was important.

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After consideration, I will put this here.

I have been reluctant to post on The Glade. It is no longer a generally enjoyable place to be.

The last straw is TheRiov PMing me, and continuing to do so after I specifically told him not to.

Time for me to adjust sails and head off. Good luck to you all.

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