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I question whether some of these incidents would have occurred either way. I mean, they robbed him, they may have done that anyway.

But now he gets charged with a hate crime. Dumbass.


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Out of curiosity, NF, what point are you making with these articles? "Revenge" attacks don't tell us anything about the merits of the case against Zimmerman or the news value of the Zimmerman/Martin case itself.


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Out of curiosity, NF, what point are you making with these articles? "Revenge" attacks don't tell us anything about the merits of the case against Zimmerman or the news value of the Zimmerman/Martin case itself.



Pointing out the hypocrisy of the MSM? Showing the effects of the distorted facts of the case? The results of the race baiters getting people whipped up into a frenzy? 15 reasons to laugh at Obama again?(I wonder if any of the attackers in any of those cases look like the son Obama would have had?)

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What is the MSM?

And how is this in any way related to Obama?


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What is the MSM?

And how is this in any way related to Obama?



Mook got the first one.

As for the second...I know the answer before I ask this but really...you didn't think it was highly inappropriate for the POTUS to make the comment he did? And if not, then why hasn't he said something about all the white people that have been attacked in REAL race related crimes? Seeing as Obama is as white as he is black, why hasn't he come out with "such and such white person would look like the son I would have had."

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Pointing out the hypocrisy of the MSM?

So you feel there's just as much news value in these other stories as there is in the Zimmerman/Martin case? The stories you're posting amount to little more than isolated incidents of black criminals referencing Martin during or after the commission of their otherwise unrelated crimes. And pretty much everyone would agree that what they did is terrible, illegal and in no way justified by what happened to Martin. In other words, there's no controversy and barely any larger issues to talk about, so these incidents aren't very newsworthy. On the other hand, the Zimmerman/Martin case involves larger issues like a controversial self-defense law, an arguably shoddy initial police investigation, the vague but common problem of innocent black people getting stopped and frisked, reported to the cops, etc. There just a ton more meat there to feed the story.

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Showing the effects of the distorted facts of the case? The results of the race baiters getting people whipped up into a frenzy?

Which distorted facts? What evidence do you have of "race baiters" whipping people into a frenzy? Some guy tweeting, after the fact, that he and his boys got some "justice for Trayvon" when they pick-pocketed and then assaulted some other guy outside a bar on St. Patrick's Day seems like pretty weak evidence of causation to me. Like AK said, I don't see much indication that these crimes were actually motivated by anger over the Martin thing; they mostly seem to be things that would have happened anyway.

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15 reasons to laugh at Obama again?(I wonder if any of the attackers in any of those cases look like the son Obama would have had?)

Seriously? Man, it must get boring seeing everything through such a hyperpartisan lens.


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Pointing out the hypocrisy of the MSM?

So you feel there's just as much news value in these other stories as there is in the Zimmerman/Martin case? The stories you're posting amount to little more than isolated incidents of black criminals referencing Martin during or after the commission of their otherwise unrelated crimes. And pretty much everyone would agree that what they did is terrible, illegal and in no way justified by what happened to Martin. In other words, there's no controversy and barely any larger issues to talk about, so these incidents aren't very newsworthy. On the other hand, the Zimmerman/Martin case involves larger issues like a controversial self-defense law, an arguably shoddy initial police investigation, the vague but common problem of innocent black people getting stopped and frisked, reported to the cops, etc. There just a ton more meat there to feed the story.

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Showing the effects of the distorted facts of the case? The results of the race baiters getting people whipped up into a frenzy?

Which distorted facts? What evidence do you have of "race baiters" whipping people into a frenzy? Some guy tweeting, after the fact, that he and his boys got some "justice for Trayvon" when they pick-pocketed and then assaulted some other guy outside a bar on St. Patrick's Day seems like pretty weak evidence of causation to me. Like AK said, I don't see much indication that these crimes were actually motivated by anger over the Martin thing; they mostly seem to be things that would have happened anyway.

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15 reasons to laugh at Obama again?(I wonder if any of the attackers in any of those cases look like the son Obama would have had?)

Seriously? Man, it must get boring seeing everything through such a hyperpartisan lens.



I'd respond but your last senecte has me rolling with laughter and unable to do so. Really? I'm the hyperpartisan one? Just because you have a nice demaeanor you think that you aren't one of the most biased partisan folks to ever post on these boards? Really? A guy like you makes a comment like that about me with I assume a straight face? *laugh*

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RangerDave wrote:
So you feel there's just as much news value in these other stories as there is in the Zimmerman/Martin case? The stories you're posting amount to little more than isolated incidents of black criminals referencing Martin during or after the commission of their otherwise unrelated crimes.


I think his point was, where's the media outrage for these confirmed racial hate crimes versus all of the outrage over the imaginary (overblown/exaggerated/whatever) hate crime against Martin.


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So you feel there's just as much news value in these other stories as there is in the Zimmerman/Martin case? The stories you're posting amount to little more than isolated incidents of black criminals referencing Martin during or after the commission of their otherwise unrelated crimes.


I think his point was, where's the media outrage for these confirmed racial hate crimes versus all of the outrage over the imaginary (overblown/exaggerated/whatever) hate crime against Martin.



I thought it was that obvious.

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Out of curiosity, NF, what point are you making with these articles? "Revenge" attacks don't tell us anything about the merits of the case against Zimmerman or the news value of the Zimmerman/Martin case itself.


They're illustrative of the same attitude surrounding this case as surrounded the L.A. riots after the Rodney King case. It's about wanting to use 'racism' as an excuse to engage in criminal behavior on the part of these people that are attacking whites, just as it was an excuse to use faux 'racial outrage' to loot Korean stores after the RK verdict. Most people don't engage in criminal behavior, but they will use 'racism' as an excuse to demand endless self-perpetuating privileges.

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Hmm, we can't prove you did or you didn't. Guess we need to hang you and see if the devils or the angels show up.

Our pet psychic will tell us if we murdered an innocent man or did justice.

Well, yes we could have her just go into your head, but you may truly believe you are innocent when you aren't. Better to be sure.

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Nitefox wrote:
Aizle wrote:
What is the MSM?

And how is this in any way related to Obama?



Mook got the first one.

As for the second...I know the answer before I ask this but really...you didn't think it was highly inappropriate for the POTUS to make the comment he did? And if not, then why hasn't he said something about all the white people that have been attacked in REAL race related crimes? Seeing as Obama is as white as he is black, why hasn't he come out with "such and such white person would look like the son I would have had."


Thanks for answering.


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Totally agree with Nitefox. Where is the outrage for all the obvious racially motivated attacks carried out for nothing more than vengeance in Trayvon's name?

Zimmerman is nowhere near as racist as the animals who carry out such attacks for no reason other than exacting revenge on random white people in the name of Trayvon.

Truly disgusting.

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That's true, but RD does make a good point. Everyone agrees that the revenge attacks are out of line, and the perpetrators should be prosecuted.

Reporting it is one thing, but for that reason it will never be "outrage". You need controversy for outrage and continued discussion.


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Perhaps the media is keeping quiet after the shit-storm they unleashed about Trayvon? Especially since there is no evidence it was actually racially motivated? Maybe they learned a lesson or maybe it is because Hal Sharpton and the NAAWP aren't running around spouting off racial hatred and holding rallies?

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I think the thing is that the racial attacks against whites since Trayvon haven't been exclusively racial attacks. Some have, but some have just been regular crime where the criminal decided to throw in a little outrage over this case to mask the fact that he wanted to snatch a wallet or purse.

It's an inherently different type of racial attack. Let's pretend for a second that Zimmerman just went after Martin because he was a black kid, and he hated blacks, or at the very least, was suspicious of anyone black in his neighborhood. That sort of outright "I hate/distrust someone based on their skin color" racism is the old-style racism from the 60s, 70s. Today, it's mostly been replaced by racial resentment, in other words, not outright hatred or distrust of blacks or other minorities based on their physical features, but rather the view that minorities insist on viewing everything through the lens of race and blaming every disadvantageous outcome or circumstance exclusively on racial attitudes, and using the emotional impact of accusations of racism to prevent the subject being discussed reasonably.

The other side of the coin is the type of racial attack that's happened since then. The attacks on whites have not been based (as far as we can tell) on simple hatred of whites, nor belief in white inferiority, but rather retaliation for perceived white racial attitudes, in some cases combined with the opportunity for a little larceny.

The racism of these attacks comes in three flavors: A) The belief that whites in general still look down upon blacks because of the difference in skin color and physical features B) The belief that negative things that happen to blacks, both individually and as a group are a result of "racism" and that if only there were no "racism" blacks would have "equality" and C) the feeling that it's ok to retaliate for that "racism".

Most of the time the retaliation is simply playing the race card, but in a case like this it spills over into physical violence. Either way, however, the problem basically comes down to the fact that equality long ago ceased being about having a color-blind society and instead became about having equal discrimination and racism against all. Any idiot can see that attacking white people over Trayvon Martin is not going to do anything to make whites feel more racially sympathetic, and any idiot should be able to see that endlessly playing the race card, and trying to combat discrimination with reverse discrimination is not going to improve racial attitudes either. It's not about improving racial attitudes; it's about the fact that in this country you're either a victim or an oppressor, and since one is bad and the other is good, everyone needs to have an oppressor, and the victim status must be perpetuated eternally.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
That's true, but RD does make a good point. Everyone agrees that the revenge attacks are out of line, and the perpetrators should be prosecuted.

Reporting it is one thing, but for that reason it will never be "outrage". You need controversy for outrage and continued discussion.


Joker:... Hmmm? You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan." But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!

There is no outrage because it's expected these idiots will do these things. It's expected that Al and Jesse are going to rile up the people, and it's expected that revenge violence will happen before an ounce of evidence either way is provided. But say that it's expected? Then youre a racist. And god forbit youre part of the community and ask people to exhibit some common sense or restraint- you'll get it worse.

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I think the thing is that the racial attacks against whites since Trayvon haven't been exclusively racial attacks. Some have, but some have just been regular crime where the criminal decided to throw in a little outrage over this case to mask the fact that he wanted to snatch a wallet or purse.


Which is funny, because now they get hate crime charges too.


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