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 Post subject: Paleo
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:32 pm 
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Figured I'd just throw this in here. I've started eating "Paleo"

http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/

Really basically it means eat: Veggies, lean meats, fruit, nuts, seeds, seafood, healthy fats
Dont eat: Grains, dairy, processed sugar, processed foods of any kind.

Only 4 days in but feels good. I have allowed myself honey in my tea which is technically something you should only have rarely but I'm not being anal about it. I also have had a few small slices of cheese with some fruit which in my book is fine, **** it.

No grains is big though and I've avoided them all. Look around the house and see how much bread, cereal, pasta, baked goods, rice etc you have.

So far so good.

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My friend has some pretty good recipes on her website: http://www.practicallyprimal.com/diet/
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My little brother, the one in the Navy, has been on it for about a year. I've heard he has about the bare minimum human level of body fat now and has bulked his muscle up substantially. They rarely send pictures.

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Lenas wrote:
My friend has some pretty good recipes on her website: http://www.practicallyprimal.com/diet/


This looks really good:

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Right now I'm gonna go downstairs and make eggs, steak, tomatoes and peppers. Guacamole would round that out perfectly.

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I've cut down on my carb intake significantly, but still eat multi grains. I don't know that I'd ever be willing to go any further.

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Grains have been surprisingly easy to give up so far. Only issue is grains are so easy in terms of prep work. Bowl of cereal, oatmeal, sandwich, pasta, granola bar, pretzels... all simple and quick.

I need to replace all that with nuts, seeds, fruits and berries I guess. Just as easy.

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Today for lunch:

Bifteki: Basically Greek meatloaf, from the Greek Taverna restaurant. SO GOOD!!!!!
The rest of the guacamole, more tomatoes, two more of the double baked sweet potatoes. Also a small mixed salad with baby spinach, broccoli, sunflower seeds and balsamic/oil.

Yeah buddy.

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How has your food budget changed since taking up the new diet? Higher food costs, lower, 'bout the same? How much do you expect to spend on this new diet through the month?
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I went into this with the mindset that I am going to treat food like an indulgence. I'm gonna spend whatever on food and see how things shake out. Sort of like treating myself but instead of a flat screen I'll get grass fed steak.

So far the cost has been fine though. Right now I'm trying to see what is worth the extra money and what isnt. I'm putting Whole Foods as my high end. Kings is also a higher end supermarket by me, great produce but more than the others. Shoprite is my baseline.

If you're not concerned with organic, grass fed and all that, cost is fine. A bunch of boneless skinless chicken breast isnt pricey. Broccoli is cheap. Seasonal fruit is also reasonable. Yes calorically dense crap food is probably cheaper per calorie but it's so awful you'll pay the difference back in medical bills at some point!

Avocados I'm getting 2 for 3 bucks at Whole Foods which is same as Shoprite. Stuff like the pre made guacamole there though is a rip off at 8 bucks a pound, so I'll just make my own. I got organic tomatoes and they are really good, but are they better than regular ones? Doubt it. I think I'm going to end up shopping at Kings more. They charge more for produce but it's all great stuff. You dont find a mealy apple for instance, everything is super fresh. They seem to get the best pick.

As for meat I'm going to check into the grass fed stuff. If I need to really budget I'll go for sales, check the farmers market or, buy bulk right from a local farm here in NJ. Again though for non grass fed you can grab a bunch of stuff from the local Costco or whatever, I find they have damn good steaks.

Here is an article on it:

http://robbwolf.com/2011/09/21/paleo-is-expensive/

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My trip to Kings:

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Raspberries on the left, regular. On the right, organic. I was highly skeptical but I have to admit the organic look and taste MUCH better. 1$ more.

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The sunburst tomatoes we used were AMAZING. Highly recommended.

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Looks great Dash. A question for you, what's the reasoning behind not eating grains? I understand no processed foods, I guess, but why not whole grains when potatoes are okay?
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http://nourishedkitchen.com/against-the ... up-grains/
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Yeah that site looks like it hits all the points I've read. Potatoes are technically foods you should avoid on paleo, however sweet potatoes and yams are ok.

The thrust of the Paleo diet is that you dont want anything our pre-agricultural ancestors werent eating. They seem to not have had some of the afflictions we experience today, we havent had time to adjust our diets to grains and so on.

Really though when I looked at my diet before this i was kinda surprised at all the grains I ate. Cereals, bread, pasta, rice. Anything with flour in it! Pizza, bagels, sandwiches, cereal, oatmeal... on and on. It's a shitload of grains.

I'm not 100% sold that grains are bad for you but I have to say the past week eating like this is an eye opener. I've had at least a dozen friends tell me this approach worked for them and I'm finally trying it.

BTW this morning I allowed myself some toasted wheat bread with my eggs so it's not like I'm a fanatic. Taking the overwhelming majority of my food from lean protein, veggies, fruits, nuts and seeds just feels right though.

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Grains aren't bad for you, people just generally eat way too many of them; and bad, processed grains at that.

Our ancestors most definitely have been eating grains for thousands and thousands of years. There are many Native American ruins in the southwest that have grain storage areas for instance.

You can do without them, but it's not necessary. If you're eating them you should cut out stuff like white bread and go for whole and multi grains. Also make sure they don't make up the bulk of your diet. A decent sized plate of pasta along with bread at almost any Italian restaurant can easily fill your daily grain servings, but then people have grains with all the other meals in the day as well.

Just be careful with them and they're fine.
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Thousands of years yes but the Paleolithic Era takes into account 2 million + years up to about 10,000 years ago.

I dont really take a hard stance either way but I find the whole "multigrain" thing to be in the same vein as "fat free" "sugar free" etc. A buzz word being used to label everything from pasta to breads as being more healthy than this other bagel or loaf of bread.

I'm mostly attracted to the basic, unprocessed simplicity of the foods.

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Dash wrote:
Thousands of years yes but the Paleolithic Era takes into account 2 million + years up to about 10,000 years ago.


Grains have definitely existed as part of the homo xxx diet for 35-40 thousand years. Most modern grains (wheat, corn, oats, rice, etc) were domesticated 5-10 thousand years ago. Previous to these dates, they were probably part of the diet, but not a large part due to the cost/benefit ratio of harvesting them.

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I dont really take a hard stance either way but I find the whole "multigrain" thing to be in the same vein as "fat free" "sugar free" etc. A buzz word being used to label everything from pasta to breads as being more healthy than this other bagel or loaf of bread..


Multi-grain and whole grain foods are definitely better for you than white, and the science backs it up. A google search on the topic will turn up tons of results about why and how. The other things you mention, such as fat free and sugar free generally depend on other factors, such as what the rest of your diet looks like, though they can also be very helpful.

If the paleo diet is one that works for you, that's awesome and I'm glad you found one that did. I prefer a low carb with occasional dips of a few weeks or so of a loose ketosis style diet. It's what makes me "feel" the best.
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"Better for you" in this case being a relative term though. I dont know how to quantify how much better a whole wheat bagel is than a regular bagel for example. You can also buy whole grain donuts. Breads and baked goods labeled whole grain can vary wildly and often have tons of additives to keep them from going bad while tasting good. Not much mystery as to what is in a chicken breast, bell pepper, raspberry, sunflower seed etc.

None of this is to say that grains will kill you or anything else. I still eat them on occasion just cut them down tremendously. The only thing clear to me is that they make up a very large part of the typical diet, at least anecdotally. It was the base of the government food pyramid and just a quick look around shows how prevalent they are.

It's still a controversial diet, as I said I'm not sold on all of it which is why I wanted to try it. It does go well with other food critics I've read like Michael Pollan who does advocate keeping foods as basic as possible.

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Just be careful with them and they're fine.


Anything you need to say this about, you're probably better off without anyway :-)
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Is corn classified as a grain in paleo?

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Lenas wrote:
Anything you need to say this about, you're probably better off without anyway :-)


Haha, I agree with that. Sadly, in this day and age moderation is becoming archaic, and that caveat stated about being careful shouldn't need to be said but is.

It's that whole common sense isn't really that common thing.

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"Better for you" in this case being a relative term though...


I can agree with pretty much all that. Just because a doughnut is whole wheat isn't suddenly going to make it something you should eat. The difference between having a white bagel vs a whole wheat one for lunch isn't really going to be that big. It's the consistent choice of white/processed grains vs whole or multi grain ones that makes the difference.

I've not really looked into paleo too much, but have heard about it a few times. My biggest thing with exercises and diets based on what our ancestors used to do is that our lives are so different from theirs that there's far more to it than the simplification these things generally tend to imply. Our ancestors also spent most of their days worrying about food; hunting and gathering consumed tons of their time. They also lived far shorter lives than we do. They were far more active on average.

Many of the health problems we have now that end up killing people could possibly have killed them too if they lived long enough to suffer through them.

Some of the shortcuts that we take with food definitely shouldn't be done though.; but when you're as active as they were and were old at 30, you really didn't have to worry about diet like we do now.
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Still going well. I'm down about 5 lbs or so in the 6 days I've been doing this. I feel good in general and my energy level is noticeably better! I believe my strength is still there, at least it was during this past week. Will find out in the coming days as I lift again.

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Is corn classified as a grain in paleo?


Not a grain but I think Robb Wolf classifies it in with rice and basically says avoid it. He goes into the science of it in his books and seminars which tends to make me gloss over, but if you're interested I found a site that excerpted him:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/20 ... -solution/

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Sidebar: Oats, Quinoa, and False Friends

Hey Robb, I appreciate your concern, but my dietician told me Oats are gluten-free, so no need to worry about my morning bowl of oatmeal? Yep, I love oatmeal too, but it contains similar proteins to gluten. Cereal grains tend to have proteins that are high in the amino acid proline. These prolamines (proline rich proteins) are tough to digest, and thus remain intact despite the best efforts of the digestive process to break them down. The result is gut irritation, increased systemic inflammation, and the potential for autoimmune disease.

Corn has a similar prolamine called zein. Now you can heed or disregard this information as you please, but grains are a significant problem for most people. Upon removal of these grains, you will notice that you feel better. With reintroduction of grains…well, you feel worse. Keep in mind this inflammation is also a factor in losing weight and looking good, so don’t dismiss this if your primary goal is a tight tush. What I’m asking you to do is take 30 days and eat more fruits and veggies instead of the grains. See how you do. Not so hard, right? And just to head you off at the pass, let’s tackle two other grain related topics: “Whole grains” and Quinoa.

When we factor in their anti-nutrient properties, and potential to wreck havoc on our GI tract, grains are not a sound decision for health or longevity. For the purposes of our discussion, consider dairy and legumes in the same category.

Quinoa pops up frequently and the refrain goes like this, “Robb! Have you tried this stuff Quinoa (the pronunciation varies depending on how big a hippy you are). It’s NOT a grain! It’s fine, right?”

Well, you’ve likely heard the expression, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” Quinoa is botanically not a grain, but because it has evolved in a similar biological niche, Quinoa has similar properties to grains, including chemical defense systems that irritate the gut. In the case of Quinoa, it contains soap-like molecules called saponins. Unlike gluten, which attaches to a carrier molecule in the intestines, saponins simply punch holes in the membranes of the microvilli cells. Yes, that’s bad. Saponins are so irritating to the immune system that they are used in vaccine research to help the body mount a powerful immune response. The bottom line is if you think grains or grain-like items like Quinoa are healthy or benign, you are not considering the full picture.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... iling.html

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There is an alternative theory, one that has also been around for decades but that the establishment has largely ignored. This theory implicates specific foods—refined sugars and grains—because of their effect on the hormone insulin, which regulates fat accumulation. If this hormonal-defect hypothesis is true, not all calories are created equal, as the conventional wisdom holds. And if it is true, the problem is not only controlling our impulses, but also changing the entire American food economy and rewriting our beliefs about what constitutes a healthy diet.


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As for those of us who are overweight, experimental trials, the gold standard of medical evidence, suggest that diets that are severely restricted in fattening carbohydrates and rich in animal products—meat, eggs, cheese—and green leafy vegetables are arguably the best approach, if not the healthiest diet to eat. Not only does weight go down when people eat like this, but heart disease and diabetes risk factors are reduced. Ethical arguments against meat-eating are always valid; health arguments against it can no longer be defended.

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I would theorize a true Paleo diet would greatly iimprove health. Food free of agricultural process is what we're evolved to eat and 60,000 years of agriculturally enhanced human diet is not much time to evolve to eat such a diet; 60,000 years is a blip on the evolutionary time table. I am also convinced that a true Paleo diet is unobtainable because nearly all arable land has been alterded by man to enhance agricultural production. Mineral and metal content being fundamentally changed.

Other factors affecting human health I believe to bbe associated with things such as the pineal gland, pineal melatonin levels and the lack of exoosure to natural light of modern man. Melatonin is an important terminal anti-oxidant in the body and one that controls cell growth. Mang diseases, the foremost being malignant carcinoma, are primarily cell growth diseases fundamentally.

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