The Glade 4.0

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... 1&catnum=1

and votes against it. Kinda surprised, I know NY city is very Liberal, but my understanding of overall NY politics is very limited.

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Actually, it's not surprising at all. In the end, the republicans (with one exception) didn't have the balls to even stand up and say why they voted against the bill, and neither did the upstate democrats that voted it down. It was about not being challenged from the right for not towing the line.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

People don't want gay marriage even in liberal states.

Actually, I think it's more accurate to say people don't care. Straight people who don't give a damn about gay marriage one way or the other would be happy to allow them to get married, but can't be bothered to get off our asses and vote (we don't have a horse in this race, after all). Meanwhile, the religious whackjobs crusading against faggotry represent a large enough voting block that the Republicans keep trying to pander to them.

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Yeah. This.

I don't particularly give a **** *who* you marry. Hell, marry a doberman pinscher for all I care. If that provides positive buoyancy to your oceangoing vessel... repeatedly strike yourself in the cranial region until you achieve the lack of consciousness commonly attributer to edible, seedless plant matter.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I don't think the majority of gay marriage opposition is rooted in religion at all. I think it's just that the vast majority of people find homosexuality disgusting. They don't care if you're gay, but don't legitimize it because then you have to keep it where they don't have to see it or deal with it. They don't want to get up every day and have to socialize with the gay couple next door while hiding their disgust. The racism of the 50s was the same thing, people just didn't want their communities polluted with something so.....different.

I think it's this mixed with a healthy dose of religion.

November 2008. California (liberal state). Amendment banning gay marriage passed. Voter turnout: 13.7 million voters, 79.4% of the registered voter population.

The people do not want gay marriage.

At a gut level I think every gay pride parade makes more people opposed to Gay marriage. Think there was even an onion article years ago echoing it.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Gay people in California are also a little... different from gay people you find elsewhere in the country.

People in California are bizarre in general, don't forget.

As Fester points out, a Pride march in San Francisco looks like the **** Rainbow Apocalypse.

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And additional part of the issue is most peoples complete ignorance about what marriage actually is and it's history.

It's a little disingenuous to correlate the high voter turnout specifically with gay marriage, when there was another big vote going on at the same time. Polling at the time showed that 70% of black voters were voting for Prop 8, while whites and latinos were pretty much evenly split.

Thankfully, 66% of people under 30 were shown to vote in favor of gay marriage. That's a heartening statistic that makes me optimistic for our future.

Blah ...

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Count von Count, what have you done with our Khross?!

Yup.

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That day may come. Thankfully, it's not likely I'll be here to see it.

You know what ...

Let's just not talking about homosexual rights anymore.

Aizle--we get it, you hate religion. Shut the **** up about it and turn the other god damned cheek.

Montegue--yes, yes, we know you think anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot. We're tired of it. You don't have to say those words anymore. We understand.

Beryllin--for the love all you hold dear and holy, give it a rest. We get that you think gay marriage and equal protection under the law for all the apostates, heretics, and nonbelievers of the world is a sign of the apocalypse. We don't **** care.

Everyone keeps saying such and such and so and so is exactly what's wrong with America. Well, look in the god damned mirror and think long and hard about how the three of you treat each other and other posters on this forum. That's what's wrong with America. None of you are bad people or unlikeable people, you've just bought into the manufactured factionalism that is the false dilemma of American politics. You believe these non-issues are important, while we've gone through three or four successive criminal shitheels in the White House. You keep saying we have to choose the lesser of two evils while arguing about how the vote is important.

Well, **** that bullshit ..

There are deeper issues and more important things to discuss than whether or not Joe and Sandy should or should not get married for the umpteenth million time.

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Yeah. Some gay dude in my Physics class brought in pictures of the gay pride parade he went to and was showing them in class. I was absolutely disgusted.

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Holding on to a little baggage there Khross?

While you may find this topic unimportant, there are obviously man of us who do find it important. If you don't want to play, then go find another thread to be superior in.

I can not say I came by the opinion myself, it was my cousin who is gay and his love (who's family does not let him even mention he is gay) brought up the topic at Thanksgiving. He hated being portrayed that way. He is a quite, professional, non flamboyant man.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Out of curiosity, what was it that disgusted you?

The issue ceases to be important when it becomes nothing more than soapbox for you to spout your anti-religious pablum. You're less concerned with equality, egalitarianism, and rights than you are insulting anyone and everyone who might have faith in something because you view that as a non-essential and ignorant world view. And, honestly, that's too bad.

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Shockingly, the gay community is as wide and varied as the straight community. There are flamboyant, outrageous and self-damaging people just like there are fairly straight-laced and normal people. In some cases, they are the same person depending on the audience/environment.

For those who aren't familiar with Pride, one has to understand that the gay community often is very repressed the majority of their life. They are in the closet at work, often at home and in public. So Pride is their one time a year that they can go all out, and yes many of them end up swinging the pendulum WAY far in the other direction.

Show me in this thread where I've spouted any anti-religious pablum. Or kindly shut the **** up.

Ask, and you shall receive.

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