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BARACK Obama has become the first US president to support same-sex marriage, ending speculation about where he stands on the issue in an election year.


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The Democrat President said today he had concluded after talking to friends, family, neighbours and members of his staff who were in same-sex relationships that gay marriage should be permitted.

"At a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married,” Mr Obama said in an interview with US-based ABC News.

The President’s position is a change-about after he had previously voiced opposition same-sex marriage but said his views were “evolving”.

An endorsement for same-sex marriage from the President is an important milestone for the US gay and lesbian community.

Recommended Coverage. .Strong reaction to Obama's gay stance GAY rights groups cheered Barack Obama's announcement that he supports same-sex marriage, but conservatives swiftly denounced his landmark stance. ..Obama supports same-sex marriage.

Mr Obama’s stated position comes several days after Vice President Joe Biden fanned speculation about the White House view by confirming he was “absolutely comfortable” with gay couples who marry gaining the same civil rights as heterosexuals.

The President’s comments are in line with opinion polls that show a majority of Americans now support same-sex marriage.

But he is likely to face a public backlash from social conservatives, especially evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church hierarchy, who remain opposed to same-sex marriage.

“I’ve been going through an evolution on this issue. I’ve always been adamant that gay and lesbian Americans should be treated fairly and equally,” Mr Obama said.

Mr Obama’s comments come a day after North Carolina became the 29th state to ban gay marriage with a referendum question amending the state’s constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Same-sex marriage has been made legal in states including California and New York.

The likely Republican presidential challenger in this year’s election, Mitt Romney, supported gay rights as a moderate one-term governor of Massachusetts but he has lent his support to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage if elected in November


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Just when the dems had the election mostly wrapped up ....

That pretty much screwed them. I support same sex unions/marriage but am pragmatic enough to know that was about the stupidest thing he could have done tactically
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He could have said he supported civil unions or equal rights and been fine. By saying he supports marriage specifically, he's just feeding the fears of all the people who think that legalized gay marriage means something akin to the Civil Rights Act where churches will be forced to perform gay marriages.
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I think it's good. He's come around to the Dick Cheney position on gay marriage. He's been saying he supports civil unions and equal rights for a while, but was "evolving". He looked like an idiot. He was pressured into saying what he actually believes.

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Just when the dems had the election mostly wrapped up ....

I am of the opinion that most people opposed to gay marriage wouldn't actually vote for Obama, anyway. That's a conservative view and he's not a conservative candidate. This will end up as a net positive and history will look favorably on his decision.

... and don't bring up the large amount of black/hispanic people that are against gay marriage. They'll STILL vote Barack over Mittens.
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Glad he finally got to this point.

Now if only the rest of the country would get a clue.
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I'm thrilled to be able to say that I am finally able to agree on something with my President.

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It seems to me like he's still hedging on this issue, (saying the states should figure out the legality of it) at least the excerpt I heard.

I also find it hard to believe the same person who wants to force Catholic institutions to pay (directly or indirectly) for birth control will not force Catholics and others to perform non-traditional marriage ceremonies. I could be wrong.

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Lenas wrote:
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Just when the dems had the election mostly wrapped up ....

I am of the opinion that most people opposed to gay marriage wouldn't actually vote for Obama, anyway. That's a conservative view and he's not a conservative candidate. This will end up as a net positive and history will look favorably on his decision.

... and don't bring up the large amount of black/hispanic people that are against gay marriage. They'll STILL vote Barack over Mittens.


Hell I would vote for a pair of mittens (literally) over him. :)

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I also find it hard to believe the same person who wants to force Catholic institutions to pay (directly or indirectly) for birth control will not force Catholics and others to perform non-traditional marriage ceremonies. I could be wrong.


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I fail to see how that applies.

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The first amendment simply says congress can't pass a law preventing the free exercise of religion. It doesn't say anything about individuals or businesses. The executive, in the powers given it under the affordable care, act are limiting the free exercise of religion by those individuals running, funding and participating in the organization by forcing them to provide a service they find objectionable or face a penalty.

Its the same idea as forcing the people in these organizations to preform marriages that oppose their religious ideals. My Pastor only marries people of like faith that he counsels and approves. This is a bigger pool of people he doesn't wish to marry than practicing homosexuals. As I've said before this is about a bigger issue.

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As I've said before this is about a bigger issue.


It has become apparent that for a lot of people, this is all about proclaiming one's righteousness and professing how pro-equality one is in as public a manner as can be afforded by said individual.

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I also find it hard to believe the same person who wants to force Catholic institutions to pay (directly or indirectly) for birth control will not force Catholics and others to perform non-traditional marriage ceremonies. I could be wrong.


Businesses are not people.

So you are asserting that individuals who utilize their right to peaceably assemble and associate forfeit their First Amendment rights by doing so?

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As I've said before this is about a bigger issue.


It has become apparent that for a lot of people, this is all about proclaiming one's righteousness and professing how pro-equality one is in as public a manner as can be afforded by said individual.

maybe so. I'm not one of them. All sex and sexual desire outside the one man one woman for life marriage is sin, and that makes me ( and pretty much every one whose ever lived) as guilty as any homosexual. Only difference is I'm spared the death penalty by God's grace and because of that I want to by That same grace, do better. I'm not there yet trust me.

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Rorinthas wrote:
The first amendment simply says congress can't pass a law preventing the free exercise of religion. It doesn't say anything about individuals or businesses. The executive, in the powers given it under the affordable care, act are limiting the free exercise of religion by those individuals running, funding and participating in the organization by forcing them to provide a service they find objectionable or face a penalty.

Its the same idea as forcing the people in these organizations to preform marriages that oppose their religious ideals. My Pastor only marries people of like faith that he counsels and approves. This is a bigger pool of people he doesn't wish to marry than practicing homosexuals. As I've said before this is about a bigger issue.


It doesn't matter even if the government forces them to perform same-sex marriages. A priest can perform a legally-binding marriage without it being a church-blessed/sanctioned marriage.

In most religions (I can't say all cause there are some weird-ass cults out there) there are two components to a marriage, the portion that makes it a legally-binding contract between two individuals and a seperate spiritual portion and they can and do perform either piece at their discretion currently.

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Im happy that the Office of the President has come out in support of this. Now I just hope the individual currently occupying the position believes it because its right instead of because its politically advantageous.

As to the demographics that have.supported amendment 1 in NC and overturned props in California.... lets be honest- they are going to vote for him regardless of his stance. This move (IMO) is to court the slipping independent vote.

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I still don't think it's right to foist even the civil part on objecting Pastors. Sounds like a cop-out akin to saying the health insurance companies are paying for the contraceptives. It's still getting provided and infringing on the Pastor's right to choose. (I thought you guys thought that was a good thing.)

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This is a slippery slope that may or may not have merit. Canada has allowed gay marriage for a decade and churches/priests are not obligated to perform one against their will. Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

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http://www.soulforce.org/resources/what ... sexuality/

Lengthy article, but good read, even if you still disagree at the end.
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Is this the first issue the President believes is a state matter? When did he stop believing in the Federal government's power?

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Also kinda of embarrassing given that N.Carolina just banned it and the DNC conference is in NC this year.

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This is a slippery slope that may or may not have merit. Canada has allowed gay marriage for a decade and churches/priests are not obligated to perform one against their will. Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Also, the US is famously more litigious and entitlement-minded than Canada these days. You guys are just too polite for your gays to push the Church.

And, rofflecopters, Fester.

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^This. You Canadians pull off a lot of things don't just wouldn't work here.

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Not a big surprise. He was for it, then against it, then against it again...and now for it. The not a big surprise is that he is making a big deal out of this to distract from you know, his horrible, horrible run at being president. Lot's of polls show that social issues like this are not big on the populance's radar. It's like the fake "War on Women" that the Dems and leftys have been pushing to distract folks from the horrible economy, unemployment still over 8%, etc.

The sooner we get this idiot out of office, the sooner we can start fixing things. There are more important things to worry about in this country.

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