The Glade 4.0

Lots of my gay friends go to parades and laugh.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

So you believe that religion (right or wrong) has nothing to do with anyone's views on gay marriage? Surely you are not that ignorant or stupid. One only has to look at the news (much less many many posts here on these forums) to see that religion can have a great affect on peoples views towards gays. There are many churches that actively preach that homosexuality is wrong and sinful. And yes, I believe those churches and people are wrongheaded.

However, that does not mean that I hate religion as a whole.

Of course some people don't care. If you went back in history to Jerusalem when Jeremiah walked the streets and warned of coming judgement, I'm quite sure there were people then who did not care, either-- till the Babylonians were camped outside the city walls and they were cooking their dead babies just to keep from starving. Then they found that they cared a lot. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Many people didn't care to listen to Jeremiah. But he kept talking anyway, in the hopes, somehow, to reach people.

Which is kinda shocking. The oppressed have become the oppressors.

Mostly though, niggas hate fags.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Men having sex on a public street.

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The Dude abides.

If you're including atheism as a religion, then yes. I can find plenty of people who have problems with homosexuals, same-sex marriage, and plenty of related issues that aren't significantly religious at all. They simply find it disgusting, attach other connotations to it (prison rape/sex for example), find Gay Pride obnoxious, etc.

Religion is just one reason for opposition. It's hardly deserving of special mention or castigation, or the insistence on tying to front it as the main reason as usually happens, even when it's cutely disguised with euphamisms like "a healthy dose".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What's your point? Are you claiming to be a prophet whose warnings are to be taken as seriously as Holy Scripture?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Wow, where the hell was this Pride event? Mpls has one of the largest (2nd I think) Pride events in the nation and folks will definately dress pretty risque, but nothing like that.

Above and beyond that, wtf was this guy thinking showing off that kind of picture in a Physics class?!?

Of course not. I'm simply pointing out that, just as when an individual sins there are consequences involved (Tiger Woods troubles ring any bells, for instance?), when a nation accepts sin as a normality, there are consequences involved. Jeremiah's warnings were of imminent judgement. I simply say, "We have Scriptural examples of what can happen to a nation that wanders down it's own path in defiance of God, and it's not wise for us to put ourselves at such a risk."

If that's the path the nation ultimately chooses to follow, so be it. I call it foolish.

Obviously.



It may be that it isn't worthy of special mention and is only being used as a crutch or cover for the real underlying feelings. However if that is indeed the case, then it is the religious that have brought it on themselves by waving the word of God in everyone's faces saying that is the reason why gays shouldn't marry. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Obviously there are many denomonations which have been very welcoming to the gay community, so there are those who support the ideas of gay marriage within the religious community. However, I believe it is very fair to say they are a minority and no where near as vocal as those opposing gay marriage.

If I had to guess, San Fran.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

open sodomy floats on the public streets.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Open sodomy floats sound like the worst ice cream dessert possible.

This is the best possible response.



So ... would you support legislation that criminalizes all extramarital sex? Or legislation that criminalizes, say, Hinduism? Or is it just certain sins that shouldn't be permitted by law?

Edit: broadened that to extramarital sex, rather than just premarital sex

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

This would have me polishing my guns right alongside Elmo.

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Holy shitsnacks!

**** polishing them, that would have me using mine.

I don't want legislation criminalizing anything of the sort. I'm not arguing to criminalize homosexuality. My point is that God established marriage as between a man and a woman, and man should not re-define marriage in defiance of what God established.

Beryllin:

Written history pre-dates your God; so, for that matter, does marriage.

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Marriage has nothing to do with God. You ostensibly live in a free country. Your God has no more jurisdiction there than anyone else. People define religion. God has no say in the matter.

(We'll ignore that people define God, too.)

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The teacher let him get away with it because he's shown stuff in class that would definitely be labeled NSFW. Not really on par with these other pictures, but definitely inappropriate for class.

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First of all, it isn't "the religious" that have been "waving the Word of God in everyone's faces". Not everyone who is religious holds that position and they aren't waving anything in anyone's faces any more than those advocating gay marriage are throwing their sexual preferences in everyone's faces.

Second, even those religious people that DO oppose gay marriage have certianly not brought being represented as the sole source of anti-gay feeling on themselves. That's people who have a bone to pick with religion and using gay marriage as the excuse.



They are not as vocal, but then those denominations that aren't as vocal tend to be less vocal about practically everything. As to whether they're the minority, that's questionable. The Roman Catholic Church skews the numbers badly in a worldwide view because it outnumbers all the others put together, but they are hardly the most vocal on gay marriage. In any case, that being the minority view does not in any way excuse the misrepresentation of anti-same-sex marriage feeling as solely religious.. or more to the point solely Christian. Jews and Muslims are small minorities in this country but I don't believe either is terribly sympathetic to gays.. and worldwide, tell me.. would you rather be gay in the average Christian country or the average Muslim country?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

By that logic, the entire world should be going straight down the shitter, since practically every nation is neck-deep in some kind of sin or other, including those that seem innocent but want to self-righteously lecture the others.

God stopped holding nations responsible for sin after Christ. Yes, I know its the same God. The change in methodology was all part of the plan from the beginning. Nations, ultimately, do not have souls. God is relatively unconcerned with them.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

dont you guys have laws prohibiting public display of … er.. extreme affection?

I believe Sydney currently hold the title for the biggest ‘pride’ parade in the world. Except we have straight, gay, bi, and supporters all dressing up. It’s kinda like a lucky dip if you want to get with someone on that day.

Other than that I have nothing against gay marriages. If they want to marry then get married. If two straight guys want to get married for tax purposes, hell go ahead. It’s not like there aint any straight opposite sex people doing it…

Yes. But I'm guessing nobody would enforce it in this case -- are you going to march up to the parade full of gays and handcuff the perps? That's screaming for a riot, and you get to be the homophobe of the week on national TV.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

And depending on the one you choose to arrest... they might *like* it.

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Holy shitsnacks!