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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Weighs less than an iPad, has an i5 processor, cover can act as a keyboard and touchpad, yadda yadda yadda. This is what I was thinking when I said that once Windows 8 hit the market, the guys coding iOS would really have to change their game plan.

Watching the live announcement atm, waiting on pricing.

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They are live blogging this on the verge and engadget..

http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-live ... ouncement/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/micr ... t-livelog/

I'm pretty sure that keyboard is full of fail.. but the rest of it looks pretty damned sexy!

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Ahh, a hardware accessory called "Type Cover" will give the full tactile keyboard experience!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/18/30957 ... os#3470904


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Yeah they said the keyboard has 1.5mm travel time so it should feel pretty similar to my Apple keyboards, actually.

This thing looks freaking amazing.

Official site is up: http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/default.aspx
Spec Sheet: http://www.microsoft.com/global/surface ... csheet.pdf

Still waiting on prices. Bah - priced "on par with Ultrabook-class PC's"


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Yea, two versions.. RT version priced similar to ARM tablets, Pro version priced similar to Ultrabooks...


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What a waste. MS still doesn't get it .

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Doesn't get what? I can't wait to get one of these.


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Hopwin wrote:
What a waste. MS still doesn't get it .


Uh, what? What don't they get?

This is exactly what I felt when watching the live blogs:

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methinks mr hopwin is trolling us


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The mass market doesn't want a pc anymore. They want a smartphone that they can talk to instead of having to push buttons or type. This is a tech nerd niche toy.

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That keyboard case looks pretty awesome, though being a keyboard removes the folding functionality that most tablet cases have to offer standing or slanted positions. Hence the kickstand, though I'm not sure about having the kickstand built in. Can you remove it?

Edit after watching Midgen's video: Oh, OK. Looks smooth on the back, while having uncomfy ridges and whatnot was my concern.

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5 Microsoft Surface Questions That Still Need Answers
Microsoft threw one hell of a party tonight; its pair of Microsoft Surface devices could be one of the biggest jumps forward in product design in recent memory. Could, because there's still so much we don't know. And Microsoft's not sharing.

Is Surface a revolutionary tablet/laptop/wunderkind? We won't know for sure until we get answers to these five unfinished pieces of business.

Is mobile data built in?
One point that went glaringly omitted during tonight's presentation: data. Specifically, will either the RT or Intel version of Microsoft Surface come in a 4G edition? Wi-Fi is fine for most, but if you're pushing the business angle—which Microsoft very vocally was—online anywhere becomes incredibly important.

What about the specs that matter?
Storage is one thing. RAM, processor speed, and battery life are entirely another. Those are the things that most affect your computing experience. How well does it multitask? How fast does it run? How long will it last? Microsoft didn't include any of those three in its spec sheet, and declined to answer when asked directly. That's not a good sign.

How much does it cost?
Microsoft execs hinted at the prices of both the RT and Intel models of Surface, saying that they would be "competitive" with the market. Let's assume that "the market" means "the iPad," which puts the ARM-based surface at around $600. But the x86 Surface doesn't really have a clear correlation, other than maybe the MacBook Air and other Core i5 ultrabooks, which puts it anywhere from $1000 on up.

So why not just say that? Because Surface isn't coming out for months and months. Announcing a price now would leave Apple and the rest of the tablet hardware makers plenty of time to undercut.

When is it available?
We know that the ARM version of Surface will touch down concurrently with Windows 8, and that the Intel version will follow three thereafter. Which would be incredibly helpful if we knew when Windows 8 is launching. It's certainly close enough to finished, but all indications have pointed to October for final release. Which is (see above!) a long, long way away, in tech years.

Does that keyboard case even work?
Then there's maybe the most disconcerting open question: does this thing work? Sure the display looks great and the demos were mostly smooth, but in hands on sessions immediately following the event that super-futuristic, ultraflat keyboard case was strictly look, don't type. That's going to be Surface's biggest selling point, and it's clearly not ready yet for primetime. Will it ever be?

The one thing we do know is that Surface has a boatload of promise. It's exciting, it's the future, and unlike previous Microsoft tablet promises, it's got enough muscle behind it to avoid the vaporware pile. But that's a far cry from living up to expectations. And the sooner we fill in these blanks, the sooner we'll be able set ours.


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I very much doubt that there will be a SIM in either model.

Both have USB ports, so a mobile data device can be attached just like any laptop.

I already own a mobile hotspot. I don't want to pay extra for it on my tablet, nor do I want another device on my mobile plan.


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The biggest selling point of the iPad is having cheap apps, and a lot of them. If they don't have the software to roll out, I'm not switching. Even if they do, I'm not paying more than $10 for whatever piece of software they want to offer. That's the expectation I have because of Apple, and I don't think Microsoft understands that little detail.

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Microsoft Store has a bunch of free apps already and with the ease of coding them (HTML5 / JS) I'd not be surprised to see it quickly, quickly grow.

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The mass market doesn't want a pc anymore. They want a smartphone that they can talk to instead of having to push buttons or type. This is a tech nerd niche toy.


Nice trolling? This is a full PC and I don't see how you can argue otherwise.


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Lenas wrote:
Microsoft Store has a bunch of free apps already and with the ease of coding them (HTML5 / JS) I'd not be surprised to see it quickly, quickly grow.

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The mass market doesn't want a pc anymore. They want a smartphone that they can talk to instead of having to push buttons or type. This is a tech nerd niche toy.


Nice trolling? This is a full PC and I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

Er... that is my point. Microsoft is holding emergency, mystery, fancy pressers to announce laptops. Consumers don't want laptops and I believe that within the next decade businesses will realize they don't want laptops or desktops either except in certain tech-oriented positions.

/edit: Oh my bad, maybe you didn't see this thread we started earlier: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8709

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I think a decade down the road you might be right. We aren't there yet though, and people are very impressed by this thing.


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I want a lapto. My 15" Mbp is finally dying. My iPad supplements but does not replace it. Would this?


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If you wanted to make the switch to Windows, sure.


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Hopwin wrote:
Consumers don't want laptops and I believe that within the next decade businesses will realize they don't want laptops or desktops either except in certain tech-oriented positions.


Well, this isn't a Laptop - it's a full fledged tablet. It can also be used like a laptop with a fully functional windows OS if you want to. It does not force you to do one or the other. My mom is actually pretty interested in the MS tablet and she's 62. She wants it as a tablet, but also to be able to sit down and type on it when she needs to as a fulltime replacement for her laptop, and she can do both quite well with this.


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SuiNeko wrote:
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I'm not sure how to take that! Surely you knew OSX wouldn't be installable on these things? Apple keeps their OS pretty locked down.

Ultimately, Sui, this thing is meant to replace both your iPad AND your laptop.


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Well, this isn't a Laptop - it's a full fledged tablet. It can also be used like a laptop with a fully functional windows OS if you want to.

I think using terminology like this is going to confuse people not familiar with technology. Yes, this is a tablet. Yes, this is a laptop. Yes, it has a fully functional Windows 8 installation at all times not just "if you want to". Windows 8 is meant to bridge the gap between the touch interfaces we're all used to on our phones and tablets with the desktop world we're stuck to for work. It's made for all of it, and it does it all pretty well IMO.


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Hopwin wrote:
Lenas wrote:
Microsoft Store has a bunch of free apps already and with the ease of coding them (HTML5 / JS) I'd not be surprised to see it quickly, quickly grow.

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The mass market doesn't want a pc anymore. They want a smartphone that they can talk to instead of having to push buttons or type. This is a tech nerd niche toy.


Nice trolling? This is a full PC and I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

Er... that is my point. Microsoft is holding emergency, mystery, fancy pressers to announce laptops. Consumers don't want laptops and I believe that within the next decade businesses will realize they don't want laptops or desktops either except in certain tech-oriented positions.

/edit: Oh my bad, maybe you didn't see this thread we started earlier: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8709


Microsoft is not in the business of giving the masses what they want. They are in the business of making money. Something they have proven to be pretty good at.

I can't speak for everyone (though you appear to), but I personally don't want to have to talk to my phone or any other device. I can't imagine sitting in my office cube farm listening to eveyone around me having conversations with their phone/computing device, trying to coax their TPS reports out of it.

There will come a day when our handheld device is our primary computing device, and it will just dock into our home and/or workplace workstations. These days are still a few years off.

This tablet/pc is an initial offering to coincide with the launch of a new operating system. There will be more innovation as more vendors offer competing solutions. This is one advantage Microsoft has over Apple. They are open to allowing others to manufacture hardware, which means giving consumers more choices.

Whatever these vendors do, it will have to be profitable, not just popular.


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Midgen wrote:
This tablet/pc is an initial offering to coincide with the launch of a new operating system. There will be more innovation as more vendors offer competing solutions. This is one advantage Microsoft has over Apple. They are open to allowing others to manufacture hardware, which means giving consumers more choices.


Unfortunately for all the other vendors, MS just made them look like amateurs!


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SuiNeko wrote:
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Seems like a MBA might be a better fit for you. I love my 11".

And with the new refresh, the refurbed models in the store are a great deal.

I like 2010 with Snow Leopard, myself... And you can get a top-line 11" for under $800. 128gb SSD, 4 gb ram, 1.6 GHz processor.

Mine is the step below that, and I rarely slow it down with most of the stuff I do. It even runs D3 and EqMac quite happily.

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Midgen wrote:
Microsoft is not in the business of giving the masses what they want. They are in the business of making money. Something they have proven to be pretty good at.

I can't speak for everyone (though you appear to), but I personally don't want to have to talk to my phone or any other device.

Wow, butthurt much? I don't need to purport to speak for anyone the marketshare of the smart device market does it just fine.
Smartphone OSes Market Share:
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There will come a day when our handheld device is our primary computing device, and it will just dock into our home and/or workplace workstations. These days are still a few years off.

This tablet/pc is an initial offering to coincide with the launch of a new operating system. There will be more innovation as more vendors offer competing solutions. This is one advantage Microsoft has over Apple. They are open to allowing others to manufacture hardware, which means giving consumers more choices.

Whatever these vendors do, it will have to be profitable, not just popular.

You need to flip that statement too it will need to be popular as well in order to draw vendors, not just profitable.

In closing **** Apple.

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