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Saw it today with the family and was thoroughly entertained, but was disappointed with it's continuing the trend in pop culture of strong female characters being surrounded by male buffoons. Granted the buffoons were hi-larious so I can forgive it. As an aside, my 8 year old couldn't stop laughing at the trailer for Despicable Me 2, so I guess I will be seeing it (didn't see the first one).

Second aside: Saw trailer for Monsters University. Is Pixar running out of ideas? Barely on the heels of Cars 2 and its well executed (as always by Pixar) but entirely pedestrian story.

Third Aside: Can't get enough of The Hobbit trailer...the Dwarfsong give me chills.


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I'm getting 'not available' too.

Might be Tumblr doing some latenight maintenance?

Really odd. I even reset my browser last night and could still see it.

Can anyone see it now? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ sez it's up.


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Your links work fine for me.

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I enjoyed it, but did feel it was a little too contrived. It looked beautiful. But as a story it definitely feels like Pixar is losing steam (or beginning to phone things in).

Throughout the movie I kept thinking how I am more interested in seeing Wreck it Ralph.

Not Pixar's best, but not their worst.

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I don't know...I was looking forward to seeing Brave, but now that I've read this, I realize just how racist, misogynistic and offensive it truly is.

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Like its cohorts, Brave is doing something very cynical in its appropriation of Scottish culture for the backdrop of this film: It's using the most identifiably tribal white culture to side-step charges of racism while playing the same goddamn exploitative game of hilarious caricatures and noble savages. Scottish people, with their clans and tartans and ubiquitous red hair, have become the go-to group for makers of pop culture who want all the fun of racial stereotyping without the charges of racism. "Scots are tribal with weird indigenous clothing and silly instruments and some old language and funny words and goofy accent and ginger hair, and these facts have been used to marginalize this occupied nation for centuries, but they're WHITE, so it's okay!"

These are the exact things that have been used to paint reductive pictures of people of color in animated (and non-animated) films for years. That Scots are now frequently used as "hilarious" sidekicks and broad comedic punchlines, and historical Scotland as a shorthand for "magical kingdom," and that Scots are the most identifiably tribal white culture is not a coincidence. Whiteness is not a monolith. Acknowledging that a universal white culture is a fallacy even though a universal white privilege is not, is an important part of dismantling white supremacy. Othering certain groups of white people isn't a part of dismantling white supremacy; in fact, it serves to reinforce the racist narrative that there is a default "normal (white) culture" from which people exclude themselves by being "different."

When people of Scottish extraction don't object to Othering, that silence is construed as tacit tolerance and used to suggest that peoples of color, particularly indigenous peoples, who object to similar treatment of their cultures are "oversensitive" and "overreacting" and all the other familiar silencing tactics. Meanwhile, when people of Scottish extraction do object—surprise!—the same silencing tactics are used against them.

Which is all the evidence one should need to identify that it's the same gross game, in a whiter package.

Worst of all, Brave pretends to be this empowering story for modern girls because it shows the female protagonist asserting her independence against societal norms, but really, it just "evoked the tiresome stereotype of the fiery redhead [and, by being set] in some magical version of historical Scotland,...allows the gatekeepers of the Patriarchy to keep telling themselves—and everyone else—that the lack of true freedom for girls and women is a thing of the past."

You see, "to tell the story of a modern ginger-haired Scottish girl, and the intersectional oppressions she must navigate, would have been truly Brave", but instead we just get this shite.

Sorry, Pixar, but you clearly dropped the ball on this one.


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Right? I mean holy ****; it's practically self-parody. :psyduck:


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Oh, FFS. Shakesville. Jebus.

I am demonstrably dumber for having read that.

Edit: That's about as moronic as EW's "Could Merida be gay?" folderol.


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I am demonstrably dumber for having read that.

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Channeling your inner Khross? :D


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Channeling your inner Khross? :D


I figure since he has taken a leave of absence, they were up for grabs.


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Oh, FFS. Shakesville. Jebus.

I am demonstrably dumber for having read that.

Edit: That's about as moronic as EW's "Could Merida be gay?" folderol.
I particularly liked how the, "Could Merida be gay?" article made the implicit assumption that all gay women have an innate desire to be decidedly unfeminine.

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Oh, FFS. Shakesville. Jebus.

I am demonstrably dumber for having read that.

Edit: That's about as moronic as EW's "Could Merida be gay?" folderol.
I particularly liked how the, "Could Merida be gay?" article made the implicit assumption that all gay women have an innate desire to be decidedly unfeminine.


Or get married/into a relationship as soon as humanly possible. Sure, that describes a lot of straight women I've known but certainly not all.

Personally I like that there was no romantic suitor for her. It was a refreshing change of pace for a Disney movie.

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I half-expected she would turn the other bear back into a human and that *he* would end up being the love interest. I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong.

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RD - how could you have read that quoted article and even considered for a second that the proper response was "Well that was reasonable and has negatively colored my impression of Brave to the point of declining to see it." instead of "What an utter load of whiney bs from someone who is extrodinary desparate to put to any use 4 years of college wasted on a trite major."?

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Preeeeetty sure that was sarcasm, Elm. :)


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Twenty years later on the web...sarcasm symbol still needed.

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Don't feel bad Elmo, I PM'd him to double check if he was serious or not.


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I wanted more... peril.

Although I like that (a) Merida came from a functional family unit (no long-dead mother!), and (b) the interplay between mother and daughter was spot on.

But the overall story was a little weak, I thought, and resolved too easily.

My daughter loved it.

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We all went and saw it as a family and everyone love it.

I also found out how loud my wife laughs.

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Lol - RangerDave, one of the most well spoken reasonable posters unintentionally trolled and reeled in some fish that usually aren't that easily taken.

7 year old daughter alternated between bored and scared (although her scare tolerance is low). I thought it was ~ok~ - I'm happy to see positive female roles out there. Wife was really hoping it would be great, again due to having empowered positive female roles - think she's disappointed that it isn't resonating more with folks.


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Taamar and I enjoyed ourselves.

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I half-expected she would turn the other bear back into a human and that *he* would end up being the love interest. I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong.
Yeah, I had much the same feeling.

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People shouldn't "read into" children's movies so much I think.

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People shouldn't "read into" children's movies so much I think.


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