The Glade 4.0

You say that as if they don't already. Unless you're going to seriously suggest to me that Romney's success wasn't driven by Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and cable news anchors commentary about being "electable"...

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Go on the record? So you don't want voting to be anonymous either?

That's terrible.

Jesus Christ. That's not what I'm saying. How are votes tracked right now to ensure that people don't submit twice? That system doesn't need to change. Just proof that you either voted in person or submitted a ballot.

We can't even keep the dead from voting. Your optimism about the competence and ability of government is staggering. What have they ever done so well and has inspired this in you?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Call me an optimist, I guess. Ultimately maybe a little naive or idealistic, but hey, I prefer to be happy. I don't like the idea that the government can't ever get anything right, because I'm part of it, and its failures are an extension of my failures (or society's failures). At one point we had our **** together. I'd like to think we're never that far off from getting it back together.

When I'm presented with a new idea, I try to see all the benefits that can come of it. I feel like people immediately look for situations where an idea wouldn't (or "couldn't") work, but a lot of the time it's self-defeating cynicism behind some of the rationale.

Oh, I'm sure it could under the right conditions, but it never will because the biggest successes come from the best experimentation, and we disallow the massive majority of experimentation when we federalize and centralize. In short, we don't allow those conditions to exist.



It's called due diligence and best practices.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

You don't put a man on the moon by just launching **** up into space. You do have to ask yourself what wouldn't, and what couldn't work before you start putting people into rockets and firing them off.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I would love to put this in the quotes thread, but it's worthless without the pic.

That said, I think the results of her not wearing clothing would be worse.

edit - **** it, in it goes.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Actually, you don't even get to the point of firing rockets off without asking those questions.. well, you might, but you won't really be firing them all that far off.

I think all single adults of age 30 without children should have to adopt as well.

I'm all in for the mandatory firearms purchase as well. Everyone should be required to own a long arm and a handgun. There should be an additional penalty for failing to carry it in public. And another for not buying a box of ammo for each monthly, and another for not firing it. Revenue can go for the prisons, and to buy guns for Americans that can't afford theur own, although I hear we have plenty of free ones we're sending to Mexico already.,

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I own a 9mm P226 (just sold it, as it was a collectible West German made with a mandrel forged slide) and a 40S&W P226. Ergos on 226 outright destroy the Glock, the Glock having the Luger angle grip. Glock wins just about everywhere else ... firepower, durability, cost effectiveness, sheer ruggedness. Sig might be a shade more reliable.

Either way, if you get a 226, get Mec-Gar magazines.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Have you ever been to Switzerland? There's not much that's more nerve wracking than being in a packed coffee shop where every single patron is carrying at least two guns, including their army-issued rifle.

In what way is it nerve wracking?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

You wouldn't consider it intimidating to meet a random stranger with a rifle slung over their shoulder, in a place where there's really no reason to be carrying it? OK, maybe you wouldn't, but the average person would. Remember the Tea Party protests of Obama? People who carried rifles to those got accused of using intimidation tactics and making implies threats just for carrying the weapon. I don't believe either of those, but you have to admit that the fact that they were accused of such by even the mainstream media means the average person would be severely intimidated by that kind of situation.

Also in Switzerland, while they're allowed to carry guns, they're not allowed to keep them loaded. So you get the fear that any one of these people clearly has the means to shoot up the place, and the rest of the law-abiding customers would not be able to respond.

I don't have to kowtow to the illogical. Switzerland has far and away the lowest gun crime rate in the world. It's foolish that anyone would be worried about being shot there.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

This isn't meant to come across to sound like an ***, but you did admit previously you'd be too afraid to do anything to stop someone else who was in the act of actively sodomizing or hypothetically "[beating] to death" 8 year old boys. You admitted this despite both being a younger, stronger athlete than said man (as McQueary was and is to Sandusky) and having the element of surprise so as to be able to procure an improvised weapon.

You admitted this and furthermore admitted that you'd also potentially not testify or report the actions of the above man for fear of irreparably damaging your own career and inventing some scenario where you would be "character assassinated" by society to justify your failure to report such an event.

I'm not exactly sure that your level of fear should be a good barometer for prohibiting gun carry as if fear were a good reason to do that anyhow.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I didn't say anything about prohibiting gun carrying, I find gun control to be pretty stupid myself. I was replying to DE's post where he said he would require people to carry guns. People are afraid of guns. That's why it's a bad idea.

Also, there's a big difference between "don't report something at all" and "report it to the entity I'm required to report it to by my employment contract," which is what I actually said.

I wonder how many people in Switzerland are afraid of guns?

How many nineteenth century Americans, say, in Nebraska do you think were afraid of guns?

If lots of Americans are afraid of guns, it's only because we've been trying to push them out of our daily lives.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

To be fair, I trust guns. I don't generally trust people with guns in everyday society. They're force multipliers, and most folk I don't hold in high enough esteem to trust their force to be multiplied.


Also to be fair, daily lives were here first. Guns came later.

Guns are just an advancement in rock throwing.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Yeah. Same as... well... everything else in most people's lives today.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I want aesthetically pleasing, which is why Im looking at the Sig. I carried a g27 for years and while I absolutely trust glock to go bang every time the ergonomics on it didn't fit me. I like the natural pointing I got with the Sig. Good call on the mags. While they are a bit spendy that's another area I wont skimp on. Any ammo recommendations or any to keep away from?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Pretty much any brand name self defense round is going to be good (they're all very similar in terms of muzzle velocity, penetration, expansion, etc). I like Federal Hydra-Shok. Speer Gold Dots are really good, as well. Whichever you end up going with, make sure you shoot a couple hundred through your gun to make sure they function properly in it. Some guns just don't like some kinds of ammunition for whatever reason.

I like gold dots personally. I was just wondering if RAF had any types he found functioned poorly.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

You're idea of "no reason" does not mean no reason. It simply means its an action you don't understand.

You're freaking paranoid. I've been surrounded by people who were upset and were carrying loaded rifles and handguns. Never felt ill at ease. You want to regulate everyone to the standards of the most nervous nelly around (in this case you). How **** up is that?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

What do you think it's like in the coffee shop in Iraq when you're deployed? Why did this bother you? Evidently the Swiss aren't bothered by it, nor shooting each other at random. The nerve-wracking is something wrong with you, not with them.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."