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 Post subject: The Gate Crashers
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:42 pm 
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As there is not a thread, and really not much of a topic here I wanted to share an editorial I like. Watching people talk about charges is very funny.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/12/ ... -crashers/

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In the little town where I’m from, Asbury Park N.J., there were no fewer than 3 men who billed themselves as celebrity party crashers. And they were good at it. People would go to their homes to ogle at the hundreds of photographs of these guys standing with every celebrity imaginable, from New York parties they snuck into.

Did they get their picture with presidents? Easy peasy. They all had pictures with presidents. The best “get” I ever heard about was from the master of celebrity party crashers – a cop named Billy Dello. Billy once crashed a birthday party for Dean Martin that was attended by only 12 people and he sat right at their table and had dinner.

Would these guys be impressed with Tareq and Michaele Salahi, who party crashed the White House state dinner? No they wouldn’t, for this reason: The Salahis got caught. Their party crashing days are over. One of the secrets to being a successful celebrity party crasher is to be a familiar face and nothing more – when they learn your name and background is when the host throws you out.

I’ve watched supposed legal pundit after supposed legal pundit on TV address whether the Salahis should be charged with an offense. I laugh at the experts who say “yes” then watch them struggle to say exactly what the Salahis should be charged with.

No crimes were committed by the Salahis. These people didn’t sneak into the building. They didn’t break a window and jump in. They walked right up to the front door and asked to be let in. Then they were let in. The people in control of the property eventually INVITED them in.

Did they lie at the door about having a previous invitation? Probably, but here’s a newsflash: Lying isn’t a crime unless you do it under oath or you are giving a statement to a criminal investigator, and neither was the case here.

Trespass? Give me a break. They were eventually invited in by the people in control of the property.

If some overzealous prosecutor charges them with anything, I dub that person the dumbest prosecutor on the planet. They only way a prosecutor will get a conviction is to play the “overcharge game” -- by telling the Salahis, “You can go to trial on Count 1 and risk 10 years in jail, or plead guilty to Count 2 and pay a $50 fine.” Everybody chooses Count 2.

America loves an underdog, and that’s what these people were when they went to the White House door with no invitation and they beat the system. Let’s not forget the White House is the people’s house, so I’m not going to get upset that two non-celebrities got to party with the president.

It’s also hysterical to watch political and media muckety-mucks get so appalled about mere commoners having eaten at their table, that they would spend the next week discussing whether to arrest them. Royalty much?

I understand the safety implications for that president and the fear of copycats. The fault there lies not with the Salahis -- that’s the Secret Service’s problem. Embarrassing the Secret Service or the administration is not a crime.

The party crashers may have done the Secret Service a favor by making them reassess their procedures. The administration is promising to keep New Yorkers safe during the upcoming terror trials, but they can’t keep that pretty blonde lady from sneaking into a party?

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I'm disappointed this isn't a big enough scandal; nobody has slapped the label "Gate-Crasher-gate" on it.

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I think the article has it firmly in hand.

And good idea Kaffis but we can probably knock the first gate off there and just call it Crasher Gate.

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Rorinthas wrote:
I think the article has it firmly in hand.

And good idea Kaffis but we can probably knock the first gate off there and just call it Crasher Gate.

Don't the Kennedy's have the exclusives right to that one, with their history of car crashes?

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The Security Service officers at the door are now on administrative leave. Their days of being employed by the Secret Service are numbered,

Yeah, the article got it right.

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And good idea Kaffis but we can probably knock the first gate off there and just call it Crasher Gate.

Gategate.

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The fool writing the article is wrong. What they did is definitely trespassing. He's trying to pretend that they were invited in and then says "well they lied about having an invitation but lying isn't a crime."

No, not in and of itself, but lying in order to get permission to do something that otherwise the person wouldn't have given makes doing it the same crime as if you'd done it without permission. Claiming, for example, that you're diabetic in order to swim free at a pool that gives free swimming to diabetics, is theft.

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The couple, assuming intent is there, really should face charges. Again, if they honestly were under the impression they were invited, that's a different story. I would lawyer up, if I were them.

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DE - The Secret Service should have stopped them anyway. While they may have lied to get in, and I'll admit you assuredly have a better understanding of the law in that regard, the officers who failed to double check to verify whether they were telling the truth or not, are at fault. The crashers never should have gotten past them.

If they broke the law as you say, definitely, prosecute the attention whores. However, the security measures that failed need to be reviewed and the errant officers disciplined. If those two could defeat the system there is a major problem.

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Heh, had to post.


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Ladas wrote:
Heh, had to post.


O.K., I had a good laugh out loud over that one..
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I'm just tired of articles calling her a "former Redskins cheerleader", when it's been established for some time that they have no record of her ever being one.

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DE - The Secret Service should have stopped them anyway. While they may have lied to get in, and I'll admit you assuredly have a better understanding of the law in that regard, the officers who failed to double check to verify whether they were telling the truth or not, are at fault. The crashers never should have gotten past them.


Uh.. yes. That wasn't what I was addressing, however.

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If they broke the law as you say, definitely, prosecute the attention whores. However, the security measures that failed need to be reviewed and the errant officers disciplined. If those two could defeat the system there is a major problem.


Obviously.

I was addressing the absurd notion that they weren't guilty of anything simply because they succeeded in tricking the SS agents into letting them in.

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then please.. enlighten us; what are they guilty of?

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Lying to federal agents, trespassing on federal property.

As a side note, furthering his quest for change and transparency, Obama invokes Executive Privilege.

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Lying to federal agents..
Not a crime unless they're willfully obstructing an investigation already in progress.

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Under 18 U.S.C. 1001, it is a crime to lie to an agent acting within within their jurisdiction. These agents were surely acting within their jurisdiction. While I don't agree with your characterization of the law, they were conducting an investigation of the party's authorization to attend a State function.

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then please.. enlighten us; what are they guilty of?


Trespassing. I already explained why.

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Honestly, isn't this type of security breach totally inevitable? No low level grunt working a checkpoint wants to be the guy that gave the President of France or some four-star general a hard time. I'm reminded of the 2006 incident where the Chasers managed to drive a fake motorcade with a guy dressed like Osama Bin Laden right up to the hotel where all the world leaders for the APEC summit were staying. They drove through multiple checkpoints and didn't get a second glance. Act like you know what you're doing and you have a reason to be there and you get through anything.


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Xequecal wrote:
Honestly, isn't this type of security breach totally inevitable? No low level grunt working a checkpoint wants to be the guy that gave the President of France or some four-star general a hard time.


The security detail for POTUS, I'm sure, isn't "low-level grunts" in the context you're talking about.

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Xequecal wrote:
Honestly, isn't this type of security breach totally inevitable? No low level grunt working a checkpoint wants to be the guy that gave the President of France or some four-star general a hard time.


The security detail for POTUS, I'm sure, isn't "low-level grunts" in the context you're talking about.


I should hope not!

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DFK! wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
Honestly, isn't this type of security breach totally inevitable? No low level grunt working a checkpoint wants to be the guy that gave the President of France or some four-star general a hard time.


The security detail for POTUS, I'm sure, isn't "low-level grunts" in the context you're talking about.


Indeed not. Even the Marines that accompany the Secret Service and are there heavily for show are among the most highly-screened people in the military, and for maturity and responsibility, not just for background.

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The overall response to this is depressing. from calls for them to be prosecuted to congressional hearings... Should they look into how they made a security mistake? Yes. Otherwise laugh it off.

But NOOOO. The broke the LAW! What law? I dunno! You know, some LAW! A Law against against... Lying to a federal agent! What do you mean you don't think that is the intent? It's whatever I say the intent is! Only the political class and the media should get to see the president! Send them to prison and spend 100 billion dollars to insure proper party security for every member of congress!

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Can they please go away now?

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No, there going to be coverage for the congressional hearing and then their trial for the law congress made up during the hearing that they broke then the reality TV show.

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