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I don't think making up hypothetical and poorly analogous scenarios just to ridicule Montegue is really furthering the quality of the discussion, here, Beryllin. Was this necessary?

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Was what I said false? I'm merely pointing out that the degree of wrong-doing by the researchers is acceptable or not in direct proportion to the support some have for the particular issue being discussed.

Complain all you'd like, but you know I'm right.

Your definition of "truth" has nothing to do with another little thing called "reality."

I'd also appreciate it if you refrain from insulting the intelligence and intellectual honesty of a whole lot of people here who understand the issue and the science and the facts far, far better than you ever will thanks to your willful blinders on the subject. You've been utterly duped, and you yammer on endlessly with illogical blather that doesn't touch on any actual facts. I've said it before and I'll say it again: You are dishonest on this subject. We've shown you that the facts are inclusive, you ignore them and keep spouting the same lies over and over again. Oh, you didn't invent the lies, and I think you actually believe them, but to believe them you need to be intellectually dishonest. You may not be lying to us, you're just lying to yourself, because anyone willing to investigate the subject with a logical, reasonable, open mind will not come to the same conclusions you are coming to.

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But only by people who agree with it.

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Upon further reflection, I agree with Kaffis that one of my earlier posts was probably not necessary. Since it's been quoted I cannot simply delete it, but I'd remove it if I could.

You had me at bonus tail.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Your basic point was good, but I think a different example would have served you better.

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Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. Since I last responded, Phil Jones has stepped aside pending the review of an independent investigation, which is appropriate. As I noted in my earlier post, the most damning thing I've seen come out of these e-mails is an apparent attempt by some to block the release of data. I may not have been sufficiently clear, but this is, as others noted, unscientific, and possibly criminal.



I don't want to brush this off as nothing, but thanks for addressing what you assume my motives are rather than the issues on which I post. As far as what the left-wing blogs are saying, I have no idea, I haven't read any about this issue.

Khross: Since objections to the 2 papers and the method in which they passed the peer review process and were published were quite public, this is only a "gotcha" if you haven't been paying attention.

Telumehtar:

You're deflecting the issue, actually. We don't know how many papers were suppressed from publication. The two publicly known papers are old news and only a diversion from the real issue: these individuals admitted collusion to prevent dissenting opinions from getting published.

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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... le-live-tv

some more fun intelligent discourse. Remember when your argument is weak, attack the person.

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Watson is a complete cock.

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Using people without power in freezing temperatures and car crashes to take a cheap shot at global warming. Classy.

This is your standard for 'Class' in journalism?

I can't think of one single news organization that has any 'Class' at all...

I'd be... more tolerant, at any rate, if cold weather was even relevant to global warming. I'm more on the skeptical side of, what are they calling it now, Human Induced Global Climate Change? But saying "man it sure is cold, colder than normal even!" does not in any way go towards disproving even the global warming of old.

The irony is I'm sure Fox has run many stories describing these global warming theories and how it doesn't mean temperatures on average rise everywhere in the world.

Arguing against something from a point of ignorance only sets your "side" back.

While the headline is disingenuous at best, the article itself did not say anything at all about HIGCC or "Climate Change" or anything else, other than the South is having an 'rare' snowstorm.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579546,00.html

Yeah. It still doesn't belong in the headline at all, though. While a full article to that effect would be worse, the headline is bad enough. :p

It's just become something of a pet peeve, I suppose, as I hear it in RL not uncommonly. Likewise to the email scandal, which to some has "proven [your climate change term of choice] wrong".

The blogger (and the comments I read) are completely missing the real gem in that discussion; the guy defending the CRU says about halfway through that "science is about transparency, not character assassination." If that's not perfect ammo to be used against twenty years of HIGCC supporters, I don't know what is.

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Yes well, that post was in response to this:



I tend to reply in kind to the tone of what I'm responding to. In this case I had posted articles from the Associated Press and Washington Post, neither of which are, to my knowledge, right wing blogs Anyway no offense taken or intended on my part.

Speaking of right wing blogs though, here is one that I found interesting:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategat ... ntionally/

Much is made of how this is just some small group of scientists, here is a bit about Obama's "Science Czar" John Holdren...

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Another attempted robbery on a climate scientist.

This is out of hand. Someone broke the law to get a hold of these emails in order to misrepresent them to the public, and now there has been a break in attempt on a climate scientist's office.

There needs to be an investigation to see where these crimes are stemming from.

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Montegue:

Except, the Emails aren't out of context. The entire data dump is available for anyone to read. Why aren't you calling for an investigation of the peer review and grant fraud by these scientists?

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There doesn't need to be an investigation here. As I understand it, the hack wasn't performed in this country.

And in any case, they're not misrepresenting anything. They posted the e-mails as they were found. Or are you now arguing the e-mails did not originally say what they say now? If these e-mails are taken out of context as you continually purport, why the heck isn't the media reporting the correct context instead of remaining quiet like they have been?

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Maybe if they shared their data... Oh wait. They shouldn't have to. We should just take their word for it that GW is occurring.

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Holy shitsnacks!