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I loved it.

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In other words, what you're saying is it wasn't Avengers? If that's the case, I suppose I can live with that from a Batman movie.

The Avengers had similar problems, but didn't have as much emotional depth or intellectual weight as the Nolan Bat-films did, hence my disappointment with Rises and my ambivalence toward those problems in Avengers.

It's rather like being served a bland meal at a five-star restaurant (disappointing considering the expectations and source) vs. getting a really well-made burrito at Chipotle (you know it's going to be good, but it's a different kind of good, and one with lower standards to begin with).


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In other words, what you're saying is it wasn't Avengers? If that's the case, I suppose I can live with that from a Batman movie.

The Avengers had similar problems, but didn't have as much emotional depth or intellectual weight as the Nolan Bat-films did, hence my disappointment with Rises and my ambivalence toward those problems in Avengers.

It's rather like being served a bland meal at a five-star restaurant (disappointing considering the expectations and source) vs. getting a really well-made burrito at Chipotle (you know it's going to be good, but it's a different kind of good, and one with lower standards to begin with).


Haven't seen it yet.

However, I'm one of the few people who thought the quality of Nolan's franchise fell a little bit between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight - which is to say i enjoyed BB a lot more than TDK. It's not that I felt TDK was bad, far from it. But BB is my favorite Batman movie.

As such, I don't have very high expectations for TDKR. Honestly, this probably will end up making me disagree with your review. I don't have the "Five star restaurant" opinion of the franchise. Like Slythe, I may be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't suck, happy with merely enjoying it it.

It's funny what expectations do to one's opinion, yes?

(In the Avenger's favor, i went into it with unrealisticly high expectations. It utterly smashed them and gave me more.)

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Saw it, liked it overall.

There was one huge "really movie?" moment for me.

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The nuke. They kinda don't work that way. A 4MT fusion weapon with a blast radius of 6 miles doesn't just leave a pretty little mushroom cloud with no thermal pulse, blast wave or ionizing radiation. Not to mention, that the last time I saw on the bomb was 1:24 (IIRC). There's no way he could have got 6 miles out in that time, especially since the flying tumbler seemed to have difficulty getting the bomb up and out of the city.

But that's easy to handwave away as the "decay" of the core was only an estimate of when it go boomy, giving Bats an extra minute or three.

I don't know if I can excuse not immolating all of those on the bridge watching the nuke go off.

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Something interesting I read today that, had it been the case, would have made more sense and been more impactful (spoilered but not really a spoiler):

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Bane should have had the Joker's plan, and the Joker should have had Bane's.


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Saw it, liked it overall.

There was one huge "really movie?" moment for me.

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The nuke. They kinda don't work that way. A 4MT fusion weapon with a blast radius of 6 miles doesn't just leave a pretty little mushroom cloud with no thermal pulse, blast wave or ionizing radiation. Not to mention, that the last time I saw on the bomb was 1:24 (IIRC). There's no way he could have got 6 miles out in that time, especially since the flying tumbler seemed to have difficulty getting the bomb up and out of the city.

But that's easy to handwave away as the "decay" of the core was only an estimate of when it go boomy, giving Bats an extra minute or three.

I don't know if I can excuse not immolating all of those on the bridge watching the nuke go off.


Yes, I'm going to echo this.

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Angels and Demons was not a particularly good book or movie. You didn't have to go and reuse the entire goddamn plot. It's so ripped off it's almost plagiarism, from having an underground fusion bomb, to the cops having to find the bomb, to being able to time the explosion to the exact second. I was also dreading they were going to go for the idiotic Angels and Demons resolution of "solve the fusion bomb problem by moving it from underground to flying it over the city" like 45 minutes into the movie after seeing that the batwing was in the movie and the bomb in the underground bunker. And then they went and did it. /facepalm

Also, I don't know a whole lot about guns, but did anyone else almost laugh at the scene where the newly freed cops are walking down that narrow street side by side towards like 200 guys with automatic weapons? Yeah, Batman disables the tanks, but they still should have been massacred before they got anywhere near Bane's goons.


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Crap Bane does sound like Decard Cain from D1-3

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The more I think about the movie, the more I don't like it that much.
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Talia and Bane were trying to finish Al'Goul's (spelling) great work by literally killing every person in Gotham? How will that rescue the people from themselves? Forgetting the fact that
they planned to kill themselves in the process. As if the League of Shadows existed for the sole purpose of destroying Gotham. The more you think about the plot, the crappier it becomes.


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The more I think about the movie, the more I don't like it that much.
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Talia and Bane were trying to finish Al'Goul's (spelling) great work by literally killing every person in Gotham? How will that rescue the people from themselves? Forgetting the fact that
they planned to kill themselves in the process. As if the League of Shadows existed for the sole purpose of destroying Gotham. The more you think about the plot, the crappier it becomes.

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The League of Shadows is an organization whose goal is the "correction" of injustice in the world. They've existed for centuries, "cutting out" civilizations or cities when they become too corrupt, like a cancer. They "rescue" people when they can, but if the offending area is considered too far gone, they simply destroy it completely, in order to "renew" it. They didn't exist solely for Gotham; Gotham is simply their current target. They are ideologues who are more than happy to die for their cause.


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I enjoyed the movie overall and plan on seeing at least one more time as I feel there was more going on than I i was able focus upon the first time, trying to take in the main action.

However, the way Bane went from being the mastermind to a bubblering henchman at the end bothrred me.


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How much money would you need to be Batman? It's been figured out.

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As for the movie, I enjoyed it. But I had the same problems others had with it. Bane going from awesome mastermind to number 1 thug. And the nuke? I thought I heard them say it was a "Four Megaton" bomb. Just how big is that, you might ask? Well, for comparison, the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 16 and 21 Kilotons. 1000 Kilotons = 1 Megaton. Yeah, "six miles" ain't gonna cut it. And batman's "bat" didn't look like it came close to clearing six miles at the speed it was going at either.

Other than that I enjoyed it. Though I actually was hoping for Batman being killed off. For me it would have been more satisfying an ending.

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Wayne dying would have been too easy. It's what he wanted the entire movie. What he was really afraid of was living, and that's why I'm glad he did.


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Yeah, true. I'll give you that.

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Didnt care about the characters.
Batman WAY too shouty.
Bane not a patch on Joker. Not even close.
Best character - scarecrow. And he's not in it.

Gordon did ok though!

Oh, almost forgot - Selena prettyyyy


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My criticism and disappointment with the movie has less to do with the movie and more with the series as a whole. Marvel did it right once they regained control over the movies. They tied them all together and capped it off with the Avengers.

Now that WB saw Avengers make a billion dollars they want to make a Justice League movie, except these batman movies have been a closed universe, and they can't really continue this series the way he ended it.

That means very soon we will get a batman reboot that they can tie into their Justice League movie. Who knows if they'll try do tie in the Superman movie, or if it will live in it's own universe with a completely different Superman in their JL movie.

It's just all very disappointing.


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use Nightwing in the Justice League instead


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use Nightwing in the Justice League instead

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Teen Titans! Err, wait. Twenty-something Titans!

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[snip]we will get a batman reboot[/snip]
Way ahead of ya...

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The other thing I would have liked more of in this batman movie is batman. Seriously, he showed up three times in two and a half hours.


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Meh, using this version of Batman for the JLA movie would be a bad idea.

So, I don't think doing reintroductions movies for Batman or Supes is a great idea. If you don't know who Batman and Superman are, then GTFO. :P All the other JLA people would need one though. DC has the most, I'm not sure what the right word is, cartoony super heroes. I never read an DC books aside from Vertigo and that one Batman story Frank Miller is famous for.

I don't have high hopes for a JLA movie. If they can make me care about Aquaman in his first movie, then maybe there's a chance.

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You know they'll do another origin movie though, they're doing one with the new Superman.


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origin movies are all anyone knows how to make. just follow the same boring old spiderman formula


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Best character - scarecrow. And he's not in it.


He is, just not in costume.


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Ladas wrote:
SuiNeko wrote:
Best character - scarecrow. And he's not in it.


He is, just not in costume.


Remind me not to be flippant ever again. Yes, the dr as judge is in it, with the best line in the film - but not as scarecrow. ;)

My point was that , for me, he stole the movie, despite not being in it (in a meaningful way, as scarecrow, caveats apply,etc !)

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I think this is the best of all batman films sans Ledger as a villain.

There, I said it.


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