The Glade 4.0

This is an article piece from the Australian, linky below on the topic of discrimination vs proprietor rights. At what point does the proprietor right start to infringe on discrimination?

Do you support equal discrimination rules regarding hiring and customers, or just one and not the other? (or neither)

Edit. Prostitution is a legal in Australia in most major states.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 6445124136

In 'MERICA the owner of a private establishment reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, as should be the owner's right.

If those ho's wanna knock boots do it at the John's house, in a car, or at your own home. No one should have the right to use someone else's place of business as their own against the owner's will.

In 'MERICA, does the owner have the right to only hire male? or only purple coloured people? Does the owner's right extend to employees?

Depends on the business, but generally no, you can't discriminate against employing someone based on age, race, sexual orientation or gender. I have heard of some successful firings of models that put on too much weight, though. That's just being bad at their job.


Not sure what right you're referencing here. Employees do have the right to refuse service, yes. Though it's unlikely an employee would do so without calling a manager or owner.

It varies. There was a big deal about Hooters not hiring enough men that got struck down. However skin color is generally protected by the equal opportunity employment commission.

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I guess it just got me thinking about the legislated requirement not to discriminate (in some cases reverse discriminate) your employees, yet there are no legislated requirements not to discriminate your customers.

Why do you have the right to chose your customers but not the right to freely chose your employees?

Personally I'm in favour of removing the legislation from both...

Typically, customers can choose to patronize other businesses. Discriminating against your customers is bad for business. Maybe someone don't like yellow people, but their money is as green as everyone else's.

It's not that way for employees. If there was a business staffed by nothing but smiling white people, you would actually see more customers coming in.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

If the hotel owners can't choose whom they will provide their services to, then the prostitutes shouldn't be allowed to choose either.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'm not sure that "discriminatory service policies" is a charge I've ever seen levied against a prostitute.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Tee hee. Rynar is so witty.

Frankly, this sort of dispute is what we have courts for. The owner of a business should be able to refuse service to a customer. At the same time, a person who engages in legal commerce shouldn't be blacklisted by their suppliers.

"Find a new job, whore!" isn't an argument that really carries a lot of water, either. Prostitute isn't exactly what little girls dream of becoming when they get out of school.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Sure you have. Prostitutes file more rape charges than anyone. In Australia they should be prohibited from filing.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If my business isn't mine, her business isn't hers. I'm getting sick of your idiocy dressed as snark scented roses. It's not impressive. You've been fumbling away in academia for too long. Get out and make something.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

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As a matter of fact, it carries an enormous amount of weight, especially in a modern, liberal country where prostitution is legal and where by all appearances the prostitute in question is in fact choosing it over other types of employment. People engage in all kinds of jobs they didn't dream of as children to pay the bills; prostitution isn't entitled to special protection. The fact that this woman is suing and talking to the paper means we can pretty much rest assured she is not in some kind of actual or de facto sex slavery.



So yes, she can go get a new job if she doesn't like it. Furthermore, I'd be interested to know if she picks and chooses her customers on the basis of things like their attractiveness, or whether they are male or female. It's pretty damn likely she engages in discrimination herself under Australian law.

There's no reason a particular business shouldn't be blacklisted by suppliers if those suppliers don't want to deal with that particular business.

In point of fact, however, I'd be willing to bet that this woman, like most legalized prostitutes and those prostitutes that actually give a **** about the legal/political aspects of sex trade wants to have it both ways. She wants her "trade" to be a legal means of income, treated the same as any other business, but she also wants to be able to scream "rape" if a customer does something she doesn't like, retaining her right to say "no." That's all fine and dandy when she (or he, for that matter, if it were a male prostitute) is having sex on his or her own time and own dime, or when the business arrangement hasn't actually been finalized, but once money starts changing hands it isn't, and shouldn't be called, rape. It should be treated as a contract violation and to the extent anything criminal happens as A) theft of a service and B) (non-sexual) assault if any actual physical harm occurs, but rape charges should be off-limits to prostitutes in the course of their business.

That doesn't directly concern the hotel, but it does illustrate the double standard that advocates of legalized sex trade tend to engage in. Personally, I don't care if it's legal or illegal; I think that's a matter of local concern, but if it is legal then it ought to be treated as a legal business in every way.

As for "White, smiling people", white has nothing to do with it. Just having smiling employees is a major boost to one's business. People care a lot more about how they are treated at an establishment than the skin color of who is dealing with them. As far as Rynar being funny, you're in no position to complain about anyone else being a smartass.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

/hurl

Prostitute: I want to rent a room.
Owner: No way, get out of here, whore.
Prostitute: You're a jerk. I'm suing you!
Judge: Whore wins.
Owner: Damnit. Well, since you're in my motel anyway, let me on for a ride.
Prostitute: No way, you're a jerk!
Owner: Suing you.

Most people care a lot more about how they're treated. Not everyone. The point is, even if only 1 in 100 customers care about the race of their customer service representative, that's 1 in 100 customers you lose by hiring a black guy. It is absolutely a disincentive against hiring black people.

I mean, this issue is much more obvious in some professions than others, (remember the Hooters controversy?) but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in every profession. Having a black person as the "face" of your company puts you at a disadvantage, and no smart manager is ever going to hire a black guy over a white guy with similar credentials for such a job if they can get away with it.

Chick-Fil-A is in that other thread.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I'm going to break ranks and side with the hotel owners. Which sucks, but I support the right to choose who you do business with.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Break ranks with who? The hookers? I'm always learning new things about you.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Break ranks with her sex-positive feminist stance that typically supports a legalized sex industry.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Obviously, but if I went along with that I'd have lost the opportunity to make jokes!

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

There we go.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I wonder if I ran a food truck in Australia, could I use this ruling to force them to allow me to use a rented room as serving space for my customers? Or any other hypothetical business I might run that would normally require a building...