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I like the idea of declaring war on social issues. I want to see if we can find a way to scalp things more frequently...

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There is a difference. Soda isn't being banned, just a particular size of consumption and only when sold in places also serving food. You're all smart enough to recognize that this is not anywhere near a ban on soda. It's frustrating that I'm even getting questioned about banning alcohol or cigarettes, because it's not the same **** thing. BARS ARE ALREADY REQUIRED TO NOT SERVE YOU ALCOHOL IF YOU'VE HAD TOO MUCH. Who determines what too much is? Oh, right, the gov't.


So instead of banning alcohol and cigarettes as Midgen mentioned, should we limit how many packs of cigarettes and 6 packs of beer someone can purchase at one time?

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No, because that's not happening, and no one is saying it should happen. If you said,

"So, bars shouldn't be allowed to serve you a 64oz. shot of tequila even if you REALLY want it and you can afford it?"

Then I'd say "No, they should not."

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I drink maybe 32 oz. of soda in a week. If I want to do it all at once with a cheeseburger, why should that be anybody's business but mine?

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I drink maybe 32 oz. of soda in a week. If I want to do it all at once with a cheeseburger, why should that be anybody's business but mine?


It shouldn't.

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You're absolutely right. Drinking is not the same as pop. The government has business stopping people from drinling and driving. It's a hazard to others. Soda pop and fatness isn't. If a city government wants to regulate pop size they're within their rights to do so, but it's still asinine. They really don't need to be trying to control obesity.

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Lenas wrote:
No, because that's not happening, and no one is saying it should happen. If you said,

"So, bars shouldn't be allowed to serve you a 64oz. shot of tequila even if you REALLY want it and you can afford it?"

Then I'd say "No, they should not."

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Why not?

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Lenas wrote:
No, because that's not happening, and no one is saying it should happen. If you said,

"So, bars shouldn't be allowed to serve you a 64oz. shot of tequila even if you REALLY want it and you can afford it?"

Then I'd say "No, they should not."

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What's not happening? People aren't buying multiple packs of cigarettes at a time? People don't buy 24 packs of beer for personal consumption?

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Lenas wrote:
They're part of the reason that the USA is (disgustingly) two-thirds overweight.



The biggest part of the reason is probably because the standards were revised downward somewhere around the year 2000 or so. The government wants you to be ricidulously thin. Like, cave man thin.

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They're part of the reason that the USA is (disgustingly) two-thirds overweight.



The biggest part of the reason is probably because the standards were revised downward somewhere around the year 2000 or so. The government wants you to be ricidulously thin. Like, cave man thin.


This is on the true side, however, there a lot of fat **** out there.

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I predict that this will have exactly zero impact on obesity in NY.

But even if I'm wrong, I'd rather deal with an obesity "epidemic" than a nanny state.


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By the way, when did we stop having problems and start having epidemics? I'm guessing it was around the same time that we started declaring war on social issues.


So about 1964

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Müs wrote:
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Lenas wrote:
They're part of the reason that the USA is (disgustingly) two-thirds overweight.



The biggest part of the reason is probably because the standards were revised downward somewhere around the year 2000 or so. The government wants you to be ricidulously thin. Like, cave man thin.


This is on the true side, however, there a lot of fat **** out there.


Very true, but have you actually looked at the ideal weights for men these days?

Some evidence indicates that a small amount of "fatness" is good for the body, protective fats can improve certain types of health including mental health. That said, words have meanings, and "morbidly obese," when properly used, certainly describes a group of our population that I would say is disproportionately high. Especially when I'm paying for their **** Medicaid.

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What's not happening?

No one is limiting the amount of soda that you can buy, that's what isn't happening. You can buy as much as you want. The only thing happening here is food-serving establishments can no longer serve single beverages in sizes larger than 32oz.


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Why not?

Well in my specific case of alcohol, because bars are legally obligated to cut you off if you're obviously inebriated and 64oz. of tequila for a single person is not reasonable in any scenario.


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Not a very good analogy.

The parallel to that is restaurants not serving 32oz drinks to fat people....

I like where this is going :/

"Step right here on this scale sir... yes.. sorry.. you can't have the 32oz.. at your weight, the largest soft drink we can serve you is 12oz.. would you like some water?"


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They're legally obligated to cut you off if you're already drunk, but if you haven't drunk the tequila yet you're not drunk, are you?

Furthermore, we're discussing whether or not legal regulation of portion sizes is acceptable. Pointing out that there's a legal obligation not to serve an inebriated person doesn't demonstrate that there should be such regulation.

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Lenas wrote:
No one is limiting the amount of soda that you can buy, that's what isn't happening. You can buy as much as you want. The only thing happening here is food-serving establishments can no longer serve single beverages in sizes larger than 32oz.


My point is, where does it stop? What other individual freedoms will be taken away or legislated out of existence?

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Very true, but have you actually looked at the ideal weights for men these days?


It only seems ridiculously skinny because you're used to looking at fat people.


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What's stopping customers from buying two 16oz drinks? If you're going to ban 32oz beverages for the people's own good, you have to stop them from buying that quantity of soda entirely.


The price, probably. Haven't you ever noticed how stores price their fountain drinks? A small is like $1.19, a medium is $1.39, a large (sometimes three times the size of the small) is $1.59. If someone buys two smalls instead of the now-banned large they pay 50% more for less than half the soda they used to get.


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Especially when I'm paying for their **** Medicaid.


And here we finally have the WHY behind the move by NYC.

A significant percentage of the population have proven that they are incapable of managing their own health. And until we as a country are ready to tell people who are unhealthy that they have to shoulder the entire burden of their healthcare costs, which the majority will be unable to do and they will die, we're left with trying to mitigate the problem.

This doesn't even begin to take into account the fact that private businesses in the food industry have been slowly poisoning us for decades with increasingly processed foods, additives and marketing that convinces people that supersized amounts of food/beverages are a good thing.

It should be noted, that I don't really think this ban is the right way to go.


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The ban cigarettes and alcohol...


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Yup once medical costs are subsidized it becomes in everyone else's interest to control your lives of course they can't control it personally so government gets even bigger because it isn't fair to pay for slobs who don't take care of themselves.

Their right, it isn't, stop treating them with medical services if they can't pay - and to make it fair - the same with everyone.

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Oh this thread is amazing.

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No one is limiting the amount of soda that you can buy, that's what isn't happening.


^ that snippet is my absolutely favorite. Especially when doubled down with accusations of a lack of reading comprehension.

So I used to work in fast food in a less than affluent area when I was a young'un. We used to get people who walked their clan over from the trailer park and they would order a **** ton of alacarte value menu items and the biggest soda we had and ask for 2-3 extra cups (1x for each kid they had at the time). They would then dole it out like a pitcher of soda, and set up the value menu items as if it were a buffett with the end result that each kid got some.

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Well in my specific case of alcohol, because bars are legally obligated to cut you off if you're obviously inebriated and 64oz. of tequila for a single person is not reasonable in any scenario.


^ So we should ban bottle-service?

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