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Sounds ridiculous. Does water still boil?

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Sounds ridiculous. Does water still boil?


Yes. But only when subjected to a vacuum instead of heat.

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Okay, no need to watch that show, then.

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I had some insomnia time last night, so I watched this on Amazon Instant Video.

I wasn't terribly impressed.

The criticism about the premise of the show is fine, in the context that if they were going to do something like this, they should have done a much better job of providing the backstory. There are just way too many unanswered questions that distract from the story. The vague explanation that 'physics when crazy' doesn't jive with the very last scene.

Beyond that, the show was marginal at best. I didn't find anything terribly compelling about either the writing, the characters, or the acting itself.

Other than the last scene,which I won't spoil for those who haven't caught up, there really isn't a lot of intrigue.

I'll probably watch a few more episode, to see where it goes (there is *some* potential).


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I had some insomnia time last night, so I watched this on Amazon Instant Video.

I wasn't terribly impressed.

The criticism about the premise of the show is fine, in the context that if they were going to do something like this, they should have done a much better job of providing the backstory. There are just way too many unanswered questions that distract from the story. The vague explanation that 'physics when crazy' doesn't jive with the very last scene.

Beyond that, the show was marginal at best. I didn't find anything terribly compelling about either the writing, the characters, or the acting itself.

Other than the last scene,which I won't spoil for those who haven't caught up, there really isn't a lot of intrigue.

I'll probably watch a few more episode, to see where it goes (there is *some* potential).

This was largely my impression.

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I have to wonder if a post-apocalyptic TV show would do well on TV, if it didn't have somebodies or some evil corporation or something. Basically, if it were just an action drama about rebuilding and the life after "the end of the world," would it fly?

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Evil corporations are mandatory in post-apocalyptic settings because post-apocalyptic settings are object lessons about the evils of capitalism.

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I have to wonder if a post-apocalyptic TV show would do well on TV, if it didn't have somebodies or some evil corporation or something. Basically, if it were just an action drama about rebuilding and the life after "the end of the world," would it fly?
There was a British TV show built on that premise. I can't remember it's name, but it's available on Netflix.

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I have to wonder if a post-apocalyptic TV show would do well on TV, if it didn't have somebodies or some evil corporation or something. Basically, if it were just an action drama about rebuilding and the life after "the end of the world," would it fly?
There was a British TV show built on that premise. I can't remember it's name, but it's available on Netflix.


It was called Survivors, didn't last past about 10 episodes, and they were hinting at an evil corporation or something as having known about the disease in advance.

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Spoiler Alert -- Mom Is Sure to Be Alive: "Revolution," which premiered last week, is the latest big-budget prime-time attempt to capture the sci-fi /conspiracy/ apocalypse ground once held successfully by "Lost" and "Heroes." Like previous attempts to take this ground using expensive action scenes and cut-rate writing -- "Terra Nova," "The Event," "FlashForward," "V," "Jericho" -- "Revolution" has "canceled by Christmas" written all over it. Thus TMQ must mock the series while there's time.

Assume some mysterious force could stop electricity from flowing and prevent all mechanical devices from operating. To watch a "Superman" movie, you must suspend disbelief about superpowers. To watch "Revolution," you must accept its head-scratcher premise. But within the premise, action should be comprehensible.

In the pilot, we see a man hurry home to his wife and adorable children, clutching a bag of groceries. He announces that it's about to happen, and races to download a file to a flash drive. The wife knows what "it" is, and begins to fill the bathtubs and sinks with water. The man calls his brother to warn him that all technology is about to stop, forever. Then all technology stops.

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On "Revolution" all technology has failed, and plots aren't working too well either.
Fifteen years later most of the world population is dead, cities are overgrown with vines and warlords rule what remains of the United States. We see the man running a village commune. He says his wife died because she left the protection of the commune walls. A sinister militia comes to demand the man's surrender. When he resists, the militia mortally wounds him and kidnaps a teen, who turns out to be the little boy from the beginning. The little girl turns out to have grown into a fearless Katniss knockoff with a crossbow. The file the man frantically downloaded turns out to run an amulet that restores electricity. His brother turns out to have belonged to an elite Army commando unit. Now, the brother runs a moonshine establishment in the ruins of Chicago. The brother joins Katniss/B to search for the kidnapped boy. There's the series setup.

Suppose you were a father and mother who knew all technology was about to stop working -- you'd buy more than one bag of groceries! You wouldn't wait until the last conceivable instant to draw water or copy the magic software. You'd stockpile inhalers for your asthmatic child, rather than do nothing, as is depicted. If the first two characters shown knew the blackout apocalypse was coming, why didn't they prepare?

Fifteen years later, just before expiring, the man hands the power-restoration amulet to a stranger, not explaining its purpose. Lying mortally wounded, he tells his daughter to be strong but does not reveal his knowledge of how the blackout began. Since the amulet and the knowledge were the items of value he possessed at death, why didn't he give either to his daughter?

The daughter walks to Chicago to find her uncle; what seemed like a rural village was the ruins of a suburb. The uncle declares he has not spoken to his brother since receiving the warning a moment before the blackout. At this point we must accept that the uncle, a highly trained commando, knew that his brother had vital information about whatever stopped all power on Earth from functioning -- yet over 15 years, never simply walked to his brother's nearby house to ask him what the heck was going on.

Canceled by Christmas; lucky to make it to Thanksgiving.


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Everything is a simulated environment for the sentients whoever runs the joint was able to harvest before loading up the sleeper ship. This will keep the sentients active so brain freeze doesn't kill the colonists.

Yeah, well do you have a better explanation?

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Insight from TMQ. ;)


Good lord that sounds like the worst show ever.


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Below was the first thing that came to mind when the premise of this show was revealed:

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Those don't work either?

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It isn't explicitly stated that steam engines no longer work, but it's pretty clear that the world/country didn't just fall back on locomotives.

Probably the most sensible to rationalize their absence while lacking an "official" explanation is to assume that the chaos and fractured infrastructure makes any distribution of efficient sources of heat impossible. No coal, no steam locomotives.

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And how would you get them on the tracks in the first place without industrial cranes?

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Actually, without electricity, it's fairly easy to see how locomotives would be somewhat impractical. Why did Casey Jones wreck? That's probably what happened to all the steam locomotives in the elapsed fifteen years.

You don't need a motorized crane to get a locomotive on the tracks. Pulleys and horses should still work.

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I would imagine the employment of steam locomotives would have to be vastly more limited than it was in history for the reasons you guys gave. However, I find it very hard to believe that people wouldn't even try to solve those problems. It's like everyone just said "**** it, lets start shooting each other with crossbows".

Like I said, it was a first impression. Then I started thinking of some of the things you guys mentioned. For example, telegraphs wouldn't work so coordianting train schedules would be very very hard. Still, I think they got more than a little carried away with the technological regression.

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It's not a ridiculous premise as a whole, but it's a ridiculous science fiction premise. I haven't read the S. M. Stirling novel on which it's supposedly based, but I have read the only two books in the Starshield Trilogy (Weis and Hickman), which has a similar mechanism. However, those are fantasy novels, so the suspension of disbelief has different requirements. But I'm halfway tempted to track down a copy of Dies the Fire, just to see what the heck the premise actually is.

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I would imagine the employment of steam locomotives would have to be vastly more limited than it was in history for the reasons you guys gave. However, I find it very hard to believe that people wouldn't even try to solve those problems. It's like everyone just said "**** it, lets start shooting each other with crossbows".{snip}


That's a great idea for a TV show!

Of course, we could always bring up all the SCA people and Civil War re-enactors, two groups that would be fairly well suited to surviving without electricity. Maybe not the SCA folk so much, but certainly the blue and gray guys.

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I have to wonder if a post-apocalyptic TV show would do well on TV, if it didn't have somebodies or some evil corporation or something. Basically, if it were just an action drama about rebuilding and the life after "the end of the world," would it fly?


If I remember correctly, you watched The Colony on The Discovery Channel; I know that's not really what you're getting at with that question, but I immediately thought of it when I read your post.

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Sure if the trains were still in train yard houses you could pull them but steam locomotives are usually found inside existing museums or on small tracks made for old time fans that service an extremely limited area.

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I think I'm going to start a PBP D&D game with some of its inspiration from this premise..


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I'm giving the show a shot, and trying to suspend belief, it seems to have some potential. But, having read Dies the Fire and the second book in the series, the premise for the show is driving me nuts. In the books, basically physics has went out the window, I didn't read enough of the series to get the full reason behind it, so I won't even try to spoil it, but basically, almost everything that produces energy of any kind no longer works the same, water boils, but steam won't build much pressure, gas burns, but doesn't explode, same for gunpowder, and of course, no electricity at all. The only thing that doesn't seem to be affected is kinetic energy, hence bows and arrows. The first book was pretty good, but the second one lost my interest in the series.

John Ringo has a series called the Council Wars, which starts with "There will be Dragons," which has a similar premise too, but it happens to an even more futuristic earth, and the reason it happens is well known in the books. Ringo is a military sci-fi master, so the books are more about the battles that ensue, but I liked them much better.

At any rate, steam was the first thing I thought while watching Revolution, but what really drives me crazy is Diesel Engines, they don't need electricity to run, and would have continued to operate when the power went out. Most farm tractors don't have a lot of electronics on them at all, and are relatively easy to get started even without the electric starter, so at the very least I would expect to see those farming communities using tractors to help produce food.

Something else thats bugging me, that they still may cover, is nuclear power plants, while I understand they would no longer produce electricity, unless whatever happened completely nullified the nuclear reaction, the plants themselves would have melted down taking out large areas wherever they were located. Maybe they'll cover those at some point, but with the way things are going, I expect them to just ignore it.

Anyway, rant off, I'm still trying to give the show a chance, I loved Jericho, and Jeremiah before that, so I'm rooting for it to be good.


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