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Yeah, I know this is unfair in a number of ways, but still... :lol:


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Better than comparing the deaths of four Americans to a "bump in the road".

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Let's all have some fun.


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Wow, you're working overtime to find retarded things Nitefox. A+


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Wow, you're working overtime to find retarded things Nitefox. A+



But RD and Farsky...no problem there?

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Wow, you're working overtime to find retarded things Nitefox. A+



But RD and Farsky...no problem there?


No problem at all. Their simpleton is beyond reproach, whereas your simpleton is an evil, evil bastard.

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Wow, you're working overtime to find retarded things Nitefox. A+



But RD and Farsky...no problem there?


No problem at all. Their simpleton is beyond reproach, whereas your simpleton is an evil, evil bastard.



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"Those people"





http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/27/ob ... ll-phones/

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so the answer is there are stupid people on both sides of the aisle?


Nothing to see here.


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Lest we forget the voters:


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so the answer is there are stupid people on both sides of the aisle?


Nothing to see here.


Yeah, I am seeing this is idiocy is a bipartisan issue.

And as far as the woman in the Obama Phone video...

The woman in this video has just convinced me not to vote for Mittens... with her compelling argument for why Mittens should not be the president. Because "he sucks". Not because he represents issues that this voter was opposed to, but because he sucks... that Ladies and Gentlemen is the typical voting public.

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A chicken in every pot, a phone in every hand, a house for every family. Sounds reasonable.

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... that Ladies and Gentlemen is the typical voting public.


Yeah right. You know she isn't actually going to vote.


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Heard this other day. I laughed and cried at the same time.


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Yeah, that one's pretty brutal, FarSky. I think Romney's chances basically died when that 47% speech leaked.


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Yeah, that one's pretty brutal, FarSky. I think Romney's chances basically died when that 47% speech leaked.



If you listen to the MSM(which you do), yeah. But to folks who understand what he is talking about, not really. It's sad when a guy basically tells the truth and is killed for it, but the guy in office lies and spins as easy as he breaths and is ruining this country and people rush to defend him. It's a screwed up country

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If you listen to the MSM(which you do), yeah. But to folks who understand what he is talking about, not really. It's sad when a guy basically tells the truth and is killed for it....

On the contrary, Romney's statement is so damaging because it really doesn't have to be spun to make him look bad. Sure, the average voter isn't going to realize that the "My job is not to worry about those people" line was a reference to campaign tactics rather than Presidential priorities, but it's the rest of the statement that I think does the real damage. Romney said that 47% of the country consider themselves victims, feel they're entitled to have everything handed to them, and can never be convinced to take responsibility for their own lives. I mean, holy ****! That noise you hear is the sound of hundreds of campaign strategists simultaneously banging their heads against their desks.

Forget that he dishonestly implied that not paying federal income tax equates to being dependent on government (hint: payroll taxes, state taxes, property taxes...). Forget that he erroneously conflated those who don't pay federal income tax with Obama's base (hint: a lot of them are retirees, a majority of whom vote Republican). Forget the question of whether electoral priorities are likely to reflect and/or influence Presidential priorities (hint: they are). The simple, uncut, unspun fact is that he said roughly half the people in this country think of themselves as victims, feel entitled to everything, and are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. That's both factually dubious and politically suicidal, with no spinning from "the MSM" needed to make it so.

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First off, Joe is one of the biggest RINO's out there. I take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.

Secondly, while yeah it's fodder for the left and Obama's team to spin like crazy(kind of like the "You didn't build that"), he still isn't wrong. Is it exactly 47%? Probably not. But you are a blind fool if you don't believe there is a signifigant amount of people out there who are exactly as he described. I just showed you videos of two of them. That is a small tip of the iceburg. There are folks on this board that won't vote for Romney simply because he has an R after his name. How much of the black population voted for Obama last time? Like 93-97%? And they did that simply because Obama had great ideas right? Right?

Here's the best read of it I've come across.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/18/th ... epage=true

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However, Romney’s figures aren’t that important here – he was generalizing to a sympathetic audience who knew where he was coming from. What’s more disappointing about his remarks is the suggestion that he’s given up any hope of reaching out to those Americans who rely on the government for various forms of welfare, notwithstanding the fact that some of them do actually vote Republican. While his comments about the mindset of many of those individuals are not necessarily wrong, rather than writing them off he should be placing the blame for creating that mentality squarely where it belongs, by pointing out how Democrats have spent the past 60-plus years cynically and methodically hooking millions of Americans on welfare in order to secure their vote. At the same time, Romney should articulate a positive message for those on welfare, encompassing not only his plans for jobs and the economy (we’d all like to hear more detail on those subjects) but other issues that impact on poverty and dependency, such as education reform. He should also talk about the moral implications of mass dependency, as well as the economic ones, and the countervailing benefits of what Arthur Brooks calls “earned success.”

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How much of the black population voted for Obama last time? Like 93-97%? And they did that simply because Obama had great ideas right? Right?

I know I keep plugging him here, but if you want to understand why Obama has such high (and unwavering) levels of support among black voters, I highly recommend you read Ta-Nehisi Coates with some regularity.

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Before Barack Obama, the “black president” lived in the African American imagination as a kind of cosmic joke, a phantom of all that could never be. White folks, whatever their talk of freedom and liberty, would not allow a black president. They could not tolerate Emmett’s boyish gaze. Dr. King turned the other cheek, and they blew it off. White folks shot Lincoln over “nigger equality,” ran Ida Wells out of Memphis, beat Freedom Riders over bus seats, slaughtered Medgar in his driveway like a dog. The comedian Dave Chappelle joked that the first black president would need a “Vice President Santiago”—because the only thing that would ensure his life in the White House was a Hispanic president-­in-waiting. A black president signing a bill into law might as well sign his own death certificate.

And even if white folks could moderate their own penchant for violence, we could not moderate our own. A long-suffering life on the wrong side of the color line had denuded black people of the delicacy necessary to lead the free world. In a skit on his 1977 TV comedy show, Richard Pryor, as a black president, conceded that he was “courting an awful lot of white women” and held a press conference that erupted into a riot after a reporter requested that the president’s momma clean his house. More recently, the comedian Cedric the Entertainer joked that a black president would never have made it through Monicagate without turning a press conference into a battle royal. When Chappelle tried to imagine how a black George W. Bush would have justified the war against Saddam Hussein, his character (“Black Bush”) simply yelled, “The nigger tried to kill my father!”

Thus, in hard jest, the paradoxes and problems of a theoretical black presidency were given voice. Racism would not allow a black president. Nor would a blackness, forged by America’s democratic double-talk, that was too ghetto and raw for the refinement of the Oval Office. Just beneath the humor lurked a resonant pain, the scars of history, an aching doubt rooted in the belief that “they” would never accept us. And so in our Harlems and Paradise Valleys, we invoked a black presidency the way a legion of 5-foot point guards might invoke the dunk—as evidence of some great cosmic injustice, weighty in its import, out of reach.

And yet Spud Webb lives.

When presidential candidate Barack Obama presented himself to the black community, he was not to be believed. It strained credulity to think that a man sporting the same rigorously managed haircut as Jay-Z, a man who was a hard-core pickup basketball player, and who was married to a dark-skinned black woman from the South Side, could coax large numbers of white voters into the booth. Obama’s blackness quotient is often a subject of debate. (He himself once joked, while speaking to the National Association of Black Journalists in 2007, “I want to apologize for being a little bit late, but you guys keep on asking whether I’m black enough.”) But despite Obama’s post-election reluctance to talk about race, he has always displayed both an obvious affinity for black culture and a distinct ability to defy black America’s worst self-conceptions.

The crude communal myth about black men is that we are in some manner unavailable to black women—either jailed, dead, gay, or married to white women. A corollary myth posits a direct and negative relationship between success and black culture. Before we actually had one, we could not imagine a black president who loved being black. In The Audacity of Hope, Obama describes his first kiss with the woman who would become his wife as tasting “of chocolate.” The line sounds ripped from Essence magazine. That’s the point.

These cultural cues became important during Obama’s presidential run and beyond. Obama doesn’t merely evince blackness; he uses his blackness to signal and court African Americans, semaphoring in a cultural dialect of our creation—crooning Al Green at the Apollo, name-checking Young Jeezy, regularly appearing on the cover of black magazines, weighing the merits of Jay-Z versus Kanye West, being photo­graphed in the White House with a little black boy touching his hair. There is often something mawkish about this signaling—like a Virginia politico thickening his southern accent when talking to certain audiences. If you’ve often been the butt of political signaling (Sister Souljah, Willie Horton), and rarely the recipient, these displays of cultural affinity are powerful. And they are all the more powerful because Obama has been successful. Whole sections of America that we had assumed to be negro­phobic turned out in support of him in 2008. Whatever Obama’s other triumphs, arguably his greatest has been an expansion of the black imagination to encompass this: the idea that a man can be culturally black and many other things also—biracial, Ivy League, intellectual, cosmopolitan, temperamentally conservative, presidential.

It is often said that Obama’s presidency has given black parents the right to tell their kids with a straight face that they can do anything. This is a function not only of Obama’s election to the White House but of the way his presidency broadcasts an easy, almost mystic, blackness to the world. The Obama family represents our ideal imagining of ourselves—an ideal we so rarely see on any kind of national stage.

What black people are experiencing right now is a kind of privilege previously withheld—seeing our most sacred cultural practices and tropes validated in the world’s highest office. Throughout the whole of American history, this kind of cultural power was wielded solely by whites, and with such ubiquity that it was not even commented upon. The expansion of this cultural power beyond the private province of whites has been a tremendous advance for black America.


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If you listen to the MSM(which you do), yeah. But to folks who understand what he is talking about, not really. It's sad when a guy basically tells the truth and is killed for it....

On the contrary, Romney's statement is so damaging because it really doesn't have to be spun to make him look bad. Sure, the average voter isn't going to realize that the "My job is not to worry about those people" line was a reference to campaign tactics rather than Presidential priorities, but it's the rest of the statement that I think does the real damage. Romney said that 47% of the country consider themselves victims, feel they're entitled to have everything handed to them, and can never be convinced to take responsibility for their own lives. I mean, holy ****! That noise you hear is the sound of hundreds of campaign strategists simultaneously banging their heads against their desks.

Forget that he dishonestly implied that not paying federal income tax equates to being dependent on government (hint: payroll taxes, state taxes, property taxes...). Forget that he erroneously conflated those who don't pay federal income tax with Obama's base (hint: a lot of them are retirees, a majority of whom vote Republican). Forget the question of whether electoral priorities are likely to reflect and/or influence Presidential priorities (hint: they are). The simple, uncut, unspun fact is that he said roughly half the people in this country think of themselves as victims, feel entitled to everything, and are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. That's both factually dubious and politically suicidal, with no spinning from "the MSM" needed to make it so.

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Don't forget how it also reinforces the never-outright-stated, but heavily implied conservative position that work ethic and moral character are defined by success. The fact that someone is poor is sufficient evidence to conclude that they are either lazy and/or morally bankrupt. Anyone not making enough money to have to pay federal income tax is lazy and worthless by definition.

Also, by Romney's own admission of paying only 13% in taxes, anyone who is employed pays more taxes than Romney does. And Romney is crapping on them for being dependent.


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Also, by Romney's own admission of paying only 13% in taxes, anyone who is employed pays more taxes than Romney does. And Romney is crapping on them for being dependent.



Yeah, about that...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z27ZSphHft

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rom ... 52977.html

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The release of Mitt Romney’s 2011 tax returns shows that he freely gave away more than $4 million to charity last year (about 30 percent of his income). In comparison, when Joe Biden was first running for vice president, his tax returns showed that he had given away just $3,690 to charity over the previous ten years (about 0.2 percent of his income). In other words, Romney gave away a thousand times as much to charity in one year as Biden gave in a decade.



Oh those generous libs...

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There are folks on this board that won't vote for Romney simply because he has an R after his name. How much of the black population voted for Obama last time?


You somehow think there aren't a **** ton of folks that won't vote for Obama simply because he has a D after his name? There are straight party line voters in EVERY party.

The fact is that except for comment about 47% of the population not paying income tax, the rest of his comments are completely wrong and only show how completely out of touch he is.


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