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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:57 pm 
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What the **** NF, not everyone that disagrees with you is a blind sheep suckling the teet of Steven Colbert. We have opinions, and they differ from your own! Holy ****, we must be retarded!


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I'm still waiting to hear Nitefox's answer to my question.

Also, no where in that video clip does Obama actually mention race. He only compares the government's responses between 3 major disasters in recent memory.



That was directed at me? Did I make a statement that I found something objectionable? All I did was say this can't be good for him.

Put down the Obama pom-poms for a second and look at this video, what he had to say, who he was talking about, the way he went about it...and tell me with a straight face that you don't think it's that big a deal.


/straight face

I don't see anything in those clips that are a big deal.

He talks about being Christian and how he got their through a particular minister (if I recall right that speech was before Wright went off the deep end)
He talks about how the response was different between 3 major disasters (it was) and how it was wrong (it was)
He talks using an accent relative to the audience he's speaking with (an odd political habit but not unique to Obama or dems)

Seriously, in all honest, what do you think I'm missing?


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how about during the two years the drms had total majorities? he could have done something then. oh wait he had not yet evolved!



Biden had to evolve for him. All these folks worshiping at The One's feet are fooling themselves if he thinks Obama would have come out with that on his own.

I'll take ineffectual hope over blind idealogical opposition any day.



Ohhhh...so you watch Comedy Central and your eyes are open to make informed choices...but I post links to real journalist that link to real facts and I'm the blind one...Got ya chief.

Keep hoping FarSky...you've already got a job so don't need to worry about the economy. Bob and Steve need a piece of paper!!

What the ever-lovin' **** are you talking about?



I don't know apparently...

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Aizle wrote:
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I'm still waiting to hear Nitefox's answer to my question.

Also, no where in that video clip does Obama actually mention race. He only compares the government's responses between 3 major disasters in recent memory.



That was directed at me? Did I make a statement that I found something objectionable? All I did was say this can't be good for him.

Put down the Obama pom-poms for a second and look at this video, what he had to say, who he was talking about, the way he went about it...and tell me with a straight face that you don't think it's that big a deal.


/straight face

I don't see anything in those clips that are a big deal.

He talks about being Christian and how he got their through a particular minister (if I recall right that speech was before Wright went off the deep end)
He talks about how the response was different between 3 major disasters (it was) and how it was wrong (it was)
He talks using an accent relative to the audience he's speaking with (an odd political habit but not unique to Obama or dems)

Seriously, in all honest, what do you think I'm missing?



Nevermind. Won't matter.

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how about during the two years the drms had total majorities? he could have done something then. oh wait he had not yet evolved!


The Dems only had a supermajority in the Senate for a handful of months during that 2 years, though. (See http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-th ... -how-long/ for the breakdown.) That's not much time to get anything through, especially when Congress in general seems to want to avoid doing any work.

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Aizle wrote:
Also, no where in that video clip does Obama actually mention race. He only compares the government's responses between 3 major disasters in recent memory.


The fact that one might think the response to Katrina was in any way related to race, when the mountain of evidence suggests rank ineptitude, incompetence, mismanagement, and ineffectuality at so many levels indicates that Obama's perception of race is wildly skewed.

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Also, no where in that video clip does Obama actually mention race. He only compares the government's responses between 3 major disasters in recent memory.


The fact that one might think the response to Katrina was in any way related to race, when the mountain of evidence suggests rank ineptitude, incompetence, mismanagement, and ineffectuality at so many levels indicates that Obama's perception of race is wildly skewed.


Show me where in those clips that Obama mentions or even infers that race is the reason.


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I'm glad you agree that this is the starting point of the right's analysis of racial issues (though I would note that 20 years ago - i.e. 1992 - conservatives were saying that systemic racism had already been dead and gone for about 20 years at that point).


I would say they were correct insofar as by 1972 it was gone in its most overt/Jim Crow sense as actual discriminatory laws were gone and court challenges had pretty much failed by 1972. That left another 20 years of rooting out the under-the-table discrimination.

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That aside, on what basis do you call it an "observation" rather than an assumption when the vast bulk of the studies and surveys on the subject point in the other direction?


There is no such vast bulk of studies. Racial disparity is not racism. Studies are successful at showing racial disparity, but they cannot demonstrate that it is due to attitudes based on race. Eliminating racism, by itself, does not eliminate racial disparity. It takes a very long time to do so. The previously-discriminated-against are still generally poor and undereducated and that is self-perpetuating regardless of discrimination.

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Show me where in those clips that Obama mentions or even infers that race is the reason.


Tell me what other logical reason he would have to make that comparison in that speech.

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how about during the two years the drms had total majorities? he could have done something then. oh wait he had not yet evolved!


The Dems only had a supermajority in the Senate for a handful of months during that 2 years, though. (See http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-th ... -how-long/ for the breakdown.) That's not much time to get anything through, especially when Congress in general seems to want to avoid doing any work.


When you have a majority, you control the schedule, what comes up for debate, what gets voted on, etc. It's huge. The argument that they are not to blame because they didn't have a super majority is basically saying they couldn't just do whatever they wanted without even conferring with Republicans. If they can't get a LOT done with majorities in both houses, they are completely useless. No, they couldn't just steamroll things through, but come on.


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I'm more on the side of uselessness. Buncha worthless **** we got running this country.

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My 6 year old 1/4th Chinese stepson was spit on punched for being a "dirty Mexican" yesterday. Please tell me more about how racism no longer exists in America.


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Well to be fair, a lot of Mexicans don't even like Mexicans.


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My 6 year old 1/4th Chinese stepson was spit on punched for being a "dirty Mexican" yesterday. Please tell me more about how racism no longer exists in America.


That's institutional racism that doesn't exist anymore. Something tells me that elementary school children don't represent institutional racism especially when they can't tell which race is which.

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Where do you suppose a six year old learned that behavior.


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A six year using words like "dirty Mexican" probably learned it from his shit-bag parents.


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And those parents couldn't possibly be in a position to hire people? Or award a contract? Or vote?


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Well to be fair, a lot of Mexicans don't even like Mexicans.


It depends on the Mexican. ;)

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Where do you suppose a six year old learned that behavior.


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And those parents couldn't possibly be in a position to hire people? Or award a contract? Or vote?


What is it, exactly, that you're trying to get at? Racism exists everywhere, across the globe. White people hate illegal immigrants, black people hate white people, Mexicans hate paisas, Asian societies shun everyone else. Who cares? It is literally part of our nature, we're all a little racist.


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And those parents couldn't possibly be in a position to hire people? Or award a contract? Or vote?


1. Voting has zero to do with institutional racism.
2. If they are in a position to award contracts or hire people there are legal avenues to correct any discrimination, and a system that is highly sympathetic to complaints of discrimination, to the point that it's basically guilty until proven innocent.
3. The kid could have learned that almost anywhere. Older sibling or their friends, TV, even parents talking about someone else using the term. Kids repeat all kinds of **** without understanding it.

Sorry about your kid, but anecdtes are anecdotes. Institutional racism is a lot more than just "bigots exist". Especially 6-year-old bigots that can't even accurately identify the targets of their supposed "bigotry".

Finally, as Lenas points out Mexicans don't even like Mexicans that much. Neither do Puerto Ricans. We don't know anything about this kid. Maybe he's black? I know black-hispanic bigotry is common. I can hear Mexican men using the N-word all the time.

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White people hate illegal immigrants,


Not to nitpick, but do you believe this statement is still accurate if you take out the word "illegal"? Do white people hate immigrants?

Because if the "illegal" is necessary, I think you're missing the point. Perhaps it's the "illegal" that's the problem, and not race.


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Lenas wrote:
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And those parents couldn't possibly be in a position to hire people? Or award a contract? Or vote?


What is it, exactly, that you're trying to get at? Racism exists everywhere, across the globe. White people hate illegal immigrants, black people hate white people, Mexicans hate paisas, Asian societies shun everyone else. Who cares? It is literally part of our nature, we're all a little racist.


What's a paisa?

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I think it's a recently immigrated Mexican that doesn't speak much English.

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