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I have defended it in the past, and finally decided this year that it is outmoded. Time to go to popular vote.

I did the math. The only state that matters in this election is Ohio.

They all matter. Some states are just blindly obvious which side of the aisle they are going to fall. There are paths to victory for Romney without Ohio, despite the precedent.

I pretty much said everything else I want to say in the other thread we had on this.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

All the states matter. That's what puts states like Ohio in the position they are in. In any case, no electoral college breakdown lasts forever.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The president should never be elected by simple majority. Direct democracy is simply tyranny of the majority.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

electoral college should be proportional, That's how Maine and Nebraska do it.

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History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

This.

That's the choice of each state. The electoral college doesn't specify how states assign electoral votes.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Exactly. You'll note I didn't discuss that, I discussed the actual election procedure.

I don't fully understand why people have such a problem with the concept of a "republic."

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

If people want the electoral college in their state to be proportional, they should support that.

There is no reason to be concerned with how other states than yours allocate their electoral votes, and no reason it should be uniform across all states.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I do support and advocate for it, I believe it creates a true republic representation of the people.

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History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

Two reasons:

1) The word "republic" is the root word for "republican". That automatically makes it bad.

2) We have been told our entire lives that the United States is a democracy.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

And despite your endless silly posts, the vast majority of the country does not think this way. You are not significantly smarter than the average person, and they are not nearly as dumb as you like to pretend.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Perhaps, but I more specifically should ask what it is about the concept they don't like. People advocate against the electoral college as though it's bad. They advocate against stagnation in Congress as though it's bad. Etc.

That, to me, demonstrates a failure of understanding about, or a distaste for, the concept of Republic itself.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

every election year the losing side decides it is time for the Electoral College to go, especially if their candidate won the popular vote but not the Electoral College vote. The United States is not a true democracy, it is a democratic republic.

I'll vote for it staying that way.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Everyone in this thread is presenting the issue as a choice between the electoral college as it is now or a popular vote... But what about changing the way the electoral college works so we vote directly for candidates, but those votes are still proportioned in the same way as the electoral college? Why have "electors" at all, especially since most of them are bound. How many of you in favor of the electoral college want unbound electors?

Unlike America 200+ years ago, most people nowadays are reasonably educated. I think now it is more fitting if the government directly represented the people. The electoral college is unnecessary.

Again, it isn't a matter of how "the electoral college" works. There is no one system. It just so happens that 48 of the 50 states are "winner takes all". Talking about the system as if it were one national, uniform system distorts the entire point of it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

"... and to the Republic for which it stands..."

Cheers to you, sir.



Not only do I want unbound electors, I want them determined by the state legislatures once again.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine