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I am an emergency physician with an apolitical message in this rather politically charged, polarized time in our country. I have worked for some time in this profession, and have noticed a disturbing trend about which I must speak out — the growing number of emergency department scenarios in which the selfishness and entitlement of those without real emergencies drown out the quiet suffering of those in real need.

This morning a middle-aged woman came into the emergency room in cardiac arrest. ACLS was performed to keep her alive. Other patients were in the ED before she even arrived, certainly with what they felt were emergencies, but treatments for these individuals were placed on hold as this event took precedence. After 75 minutes of continual heroic measures and life-saving interventions, with her grief-stricken husband crying, holding her hand for the last time, and stroking her face, she died.
This was no movie, no reality TV show. This was as real as it gets. Real life and real death. Family huddled around the bed to say their goodbyes and wished they or we could have done more.

I walked to my office, emotionally drained and exhausted, and from across the emergency department another patient, upset that she had to wait, spoke out brashly in tones that carried to every room in the department. “I know someone's dying and all, but I am in real pain here.”
What most of America don't know is the emergency department staff are graded with a nationally based report card by hospital administration. A survey is sent only to those who are discharged from the ED, not to those who actually needed admission to the hospital for an emergency or to those, like this new widower, whose loved one passed. This survey is a customer service tool used to see if people like coming to our ED and asks whether we did a good job. The ED staff know this survey is skewed because of the population to which it is sent, and certainly it is not the only tool hospital administrators use to evaluate us. That is another topic for another time.
But you must understand, the real emergencies are rarely graded or surveyed; they only go to those vast hoards of folks who were sent home, many of whom did not get their narcotic medication refilled, like Ms. “I'm-in-real-pain-here” who screamed her needs for all to hear, just within earshot of a new widower.

Mitt Romney recently was secretly taped speaking to his party base about the 47 percent of the nation that feels entitled to health care, to homes, to handouts, and to ever-present help from the government. If this lady represents that 47 percent, I have a few things to say.

The widower and his wife were also in need of care and financial aid. They came to the hospital for emergency care and received it. He was gracious about it, even when the scenario ended in a way he did not want. He and his family were thankful for the care. They will not be asked how they felt the care was, but screamer lady will be. It is doubtful that screamer lady would have been happy short a lifetime supply of narcotics, free ambulance rides, meals, and immediate gratification of all perceived needs. In fact, she and her friend raided the refrigerator for food and beverages without asking permission of staff or being cleared for eating or drinking prior to her labs and tests returning.

This widower and his family behaved in a way that acknowledged that there were others in the ED. They realized a limited but adequate number of doctors and staff were available. They were calm in the face of a real emergency, but never acted as though the world should stop for them, even though it ended tragically. They knew how to play fair even though their real emergency was not fair.

We live in a society that David McCullough Jr. describes as rewarding mediocrity because everything fairness and equality. Everyone is special, so nobody is. Everyone should get a prize for participating. And even though Johnny didn't win, we're going to give him a trophy for trying because he is special, too. Competition is bad because there is a winner and loser, and that's not fair. This fundamentally wrong notion breeds false equality and ultimately false fairness and entitlement. We do no one a favor by preaching this. We are lazy parents if we can't find a constructive way to celebrate the winner and help our children be happy for him. Instead, we have chosen an easier road: to make all things fair and equal. If nothing can rise above, be more important, or be first, then all must be mediocre. If all must be fair and equal, all will assume the position of being just as important and just as entitled as everyone else despite the real emergency or the real need.

The government mandates I evaluate and treat everyone who steps foot in our emergency department, regardless of the ability to pay or the acuity of the complaint. The government has passed health care legislation that makes it so everyone must have insurance. Now everyone is equal, everyone is the same — the broken physically, the broken emotionally, the broken spiritually, the broken psychologically, and even the broken culturally. Many have primary care doctors, but they storm the ED at 2 a.m. with the Burger King entitlement of having it their way rather than waiting for their own doctor to see them the following day. They will demand to be treated equally regardless of the acuity of their emergency. And you know what? They will probably get it because we don't want a bad report card from the feel-goods upstairs intent on establishing great PR or the lawyers who will use government mandates to take away your pain and make the other guy pay.

Were I to say something to screamer lady about her behavior, she likely would fall back on the clichéd finger-pointing canard, and say, “You're a doctor. You are well off. You don't understand. You can't relate. And you are the one responsible for the high cost of health care. It's your fault.”

As a young, married medical student, my family and I participated in Medicaid because having insurance was a requirement for my rather expensive medical school. I felt grateful, not entitled, to be able to sign up for the program. I know poverty in America because I lived it for a decade despite help from family. Government programs can help for a time. But know this, I spent my high school years working on grades and homework and at a job. I went to four years of college, working on grades and a job. I went to four years of medical school working on grades and leaning on the government for help, which I am now paying back. Then, I worked four years as a resident on call, on 12- or 36-hour shifts with just enough sleep to go back and start again. Now I work. And I work. Work and making good life decisions result in prosperity. No one — I repeat, no one — becomes prosperous on government programs. Student loans, food stamps, Medicaid, and unemployment benefits are there to help temporarily, but for heaven's sake, government aid is not a right and living your life like you are entitled to eternal government care is not right.

Anyone who wants to can go to school for 12 more years after high school and work, incur student loan debt, drive a 14-year-old car for 12 years, and study (while passing on TV, movies, parties, conversation, family life, sleep, and eating to study some more). They can then make a living that buys a nice home, clothes, insurance for family, and, hey, a new car. Anyone who can work can do this. And I'm all for government help for those who, through no fault of their own (and not their poor choices), can't work.

This woman, however, would reach into my pocket and take my hard-earned money while tapping impatiently on my watch to give her more of my immediate time and attention when others need it more, still claiming I am a cold-blooded heartless rich guy intent on robbing her of all the government assistance that is her due while simultaneously stiffing the hospital for what she considers an unconscionable medical bill. I am not cold-blooded or heartless, just tired and beat from the work I do and proud and gratified that I can do it. The same is possible for anyone here in the land of opportunity.

Are we so far gone as a society, in the name of popular progressivism, that we now don't view work as something to be valued, specifically when the work requirement is removed from the welfare bill? Are we so far gone as a nation that we vilify someone for their hard-earned wealth and elect a national leader who believes in taking that away to pay for those who would act as drains and not aquifers to the national pool of prosperity? Have we developed a national mindset that makes it normal to expect others to take care of us?

I think we develop a self-absorption that is callous in the face of anyone else's need when we rely on the government to handle our every need. No respect. No decency, no restraint, no responsibility, and no apology for it.

Frankly, our government cannot fix this, they cannot mandate a solution to this, and they cannot legislate against this. Nor should they. The solution to selfishness and entitlement can only be fixed with a mother and father (who know how to model character) teaching a child that work is hard and rewarding, that life is not fair and never will be, and that the freedoms you enjoy in this life are because someone else paid the price. Get up and get fixing.
Sincerely,

Michael E. Jacobson, DO


I cannot speak to validity of this man's opinion nor to his claims of being a doctor but I thought I'd share.

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I've shadowed a handful of ED docs and read a few of blogs of ED docs. This is consistent with what I hear from them, and probably less bitter. I know a couple that no longer practice in a hospital anymore and just work at urgent care centers. It was one of the specialties that interested me the most, but based on what they've told me, it's off my list.

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It's consistant with my observatons, which were admittedly not as up close and personal.

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I'm sorry, there's nothing insightful about this "apolitical" message. He's rehashing all the convservative talking points about entitlement programs, especially the "all of society's problems exist because people are lazy, and all people who fail do so because of laziness" one that I hate so much.

First, this guy is a doctor. That means that his work ethic is on the extreme high end of the scale, or he'd never have survived his residency. And just like the really smart kid who aces the test and can't figure out why everyone else is struggling when it's so easy for him, so is this guy assuming that everyone should have the same work ethic he does. This is simply not the case, and not having a doctor's work ethic doesn't automatically make you lazy, regardless of how much you make or whether you're on public assistance or not. You're lazy if your work ethic is significantly below the norm. A welfare case that doesn't want to work 80 hours a week is not lazy, not when the majority of Americans don't want to do that, either.

I'm reminded of that "Take our jobs!" campaign that some opponents of illegal immigration reform started, to prove that Americans did not want the jobs of the illegals. They promised to connect any American who wanted it with a farm job. When they predictably got few takers for 80+ hour a week hard labor jobs in 100+ degree heat, everyone got up in arms about how "lazy" all the "worthless" unemployed people are, and how they have a disgusting "sense of entitlement" for turning their noses at such a shitty job. This is, of course, amazingly hypocritical, because the majority of Americans would also shun such a job, even if the choice was between it and welfare. But only the people who have actually failed get labeled as lazy. The ones happily working 40 hours a week for a good living? No, they're perfectly good, hard working Americans, even if they'd turn their noses at 60 hours.

The fact is, the majority of people, if faced with the same choice that individuals on public assistance have, would choose to remain on public assistance. They're just lucky enough to come from a background and/or have the natural ability that gave them the skills they need to avoid that situation. Sure, some people on welfare really are lazy and don't want to work at all, but I think the majority would be willing to work the same amount the average American works if it got them out of that situation. The problem is, for them, that's not going to cut it. They need to work much harder, because they lack education and/or marketable skills which they need to gain first. And because some are not willing to do this extra work, they get labeled as lazy, even though they have the same work ethic as the average American.

Second, it's called the welfare trap for a very good reason. Health care is now so expensive that qualifying for Medicaid means you're essentially getting like $16k annually (about the average cost of health care for a family of four right now) just from Medicaid. If you get a job, you lose your Medicaid and public assistance benefits. So what are you going to do? Work 40-50 hours a week at a dead-end job and end up with less money than not working? Only an idiot would choose that option. Or you could spend 40-50 hours working to support yourself and an additional 40-50 hours learning some kind of skill, so after a few years you have a chance to break the welfare trap. And that's great for the people that possess the work ethic to do this, but such a work ethic is very rare. That's why doctors make so much money, exactly because only a very small minority actually possess the work ethic required to work 100-hour weeks.

If you don't like the entitlement programs and think we'd be better off without them, that's fine. But please, don't try to justify it with bullshit circular reasoning like, "Well, most of the people on said programs are useless and lazy anyway. How do I know they're lazy? It's obvious, they're on welfare!" Just be honest and say that even though people that come from crappy backgrounds have a much higher hurdle, we're still better off as a society if we cut off the ones that only have an "average" work ethic and thus can't break through their barriers. Don't try to demonize all of them just to justify your position.


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Being lazy is fine as long as you're self-sufficient. Being lazy deserves a bullet in the brain pan if you're sitting on your *** while I work mine off to pay for both of us.

X, your post is the ugliest pile of **** I've ever had the misfortune to read here. You're everything that is wrong with this country. Worse yet, you're an import. We really do need to tighten up our immigration policy.

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I have to ask you, in your opinion, what workload level does someone have to be willing to take on in order to not qualify as "lazy"? Because when I ask the majority of people this question, the answer is invariably some form of "Whatever it takes to....." and proceed to prove my exact point, that laziness is no longer defined by how much work you're willing to do, but by how successful you are. To not be lazy you have to do whatever amount of work that it takes. That means if you fail, you did less work than this point and are lazy, and if you succeed you did more work and are not lazy.


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We don't live in sub-Saharan Africa. Being self-sufficient does not require some superhuman effort. Your point is moot.

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I never said it required superhuman effort. I'm just saying that, at least as a baseline, we should avoid applying the "lazy" label to someone when the majority of Americans would not want to work any harder, and would make the exact same choice they're making in their situation.

It definitely doesn't require a superhuman effort to be self-sufficient and get off public assistance. Assuming that said public assistance pays you more than the 40-hour job does, what percentage of Americans do you think would take the job? Be honest. You're going to need a lot of bullets before you get done shooting all the people who would choose to do nothing.


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I have no personal problem with the laziness of others in and of itself. As long as a person is self-sufficient, their time is all their own, and I have no just claim in dictating how they choose to spend it, even if I would spend it differently. My problem arises when cocksuckers like you show up and demand my time be spent to provide for those who are unwilling, simply because I have a better work ethic; all the while failing to acknowledge that the main reason I have a better work ethic is because you insist on a public policy which allows them to rest light in their poverty.

As to the amount of bullets it would require, it's cheaper to simply stop feeding them.

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Xequecal wrote:
First, this guy is a doctor. That means that his work ethic is on the extreme high end of the scale, or he'd never have survived his residency.

This is a bad assumption. EM is likely not to attract the lazier doctors, so your point may apply to this guy. But plenty of doctors with poor work ethics survive residency. A good friend of mine, who is a second year resident, tells me about such doctors all the time. A quick run through the residents forum at studentdoctor.net will show you more of the same as well. Medicine is still a good enough career that it draws an abundance of students who want the prestige and money and have no desire to put in hard work.

Admittedly, I'm no expert. But I'm privy to more anecdotal evidence than most.

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I have no personal problem with the laziness of others in and of itself. As long as a person is self-sufficient, their time is all their own, and I have no just claim in dictating how they choose to spend it, even if I would spend it differently. My problem arises when cocksuckers like you show up and demand my time be spent to provide for those who are unwilling, simply because I have a better wprk ethic; all the while failing to acknowledge that the main reason Ihave a better work ethic is because you insist on a public policy which allows them to rest light in their poverty.

As to the amount of bullets it would require, it's cheaper to simply stop feeding them.


Now hold on there. I never claimed that you should be forced to provide for them. I just absolutely despise the extreme dishonesty involved in blanket labeling all public assistance takers as "lazy." A lot of people love to create a construct where they can both claim to SUPPORT public assistance, but at the same time not pay a dime for it. They do this by claiming to support government assistance, as the author of this piece does, but only if it goes to people that are not "lazy." They then proceed to effectively redefine "lazy" as "anyone on public assistance" so nobody qualifies for the assistance. That way they can seem progressive and charitable without having to pay a dime for it.

I'm totally fine with it if you want to kill public assistance. Just be honest about it and don't demonize everyone currently on it, so you can claim to avoid "killing" anyone that isn't "worthless". Nobody is entitled to public assistance. If you drop it, some people who, despite not being lazy, won't have the combined skillset/work ethic to succeed and will starve.


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Xequecal wrote:
Now hold on there. I never claimed that you should be forced to provide for them. I just absolutely despise the extreme dishonesty involved in blanket labeling all public assistance takers as "lazy." A lot of people love to create a construct where they can both claim to SUPPORT public assistance, but at the same time not pay a dime for it. They do this by claiming to support government assistance, as the author of this piece does, but only if it goes to people that are not "lazy." They then proceed to effectively redefine "lazy" as "anyone on public assistance" so nobody qualifies for the assistance. That way they can seem progressive and charitable without having to pay a dime for it.

I'm totally fine with it if you want to kill public assistance. Just be honest about it and don't demonize everyone currently on it, so you can claim to avoid "killing" anyone that isn't "worthless". Nobody is entitled to public assistance. If you drop it, some people who, despite not being lazy, won't have the combined skillset/work ethic to succeed and will starve.


If you turn your nose up at a difficult 60-hr a week job, and collect assistance, you're lazy.


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First, its incredibly dishonest to talk about how hard Americans don't want to work and the work ethic involved based on agricultural jobs whose wages are artificially depressed by illegals, whose necessity is then claimed based on that same situation.

Second, it is absurd to claim this doctor's high work ethic makes his expectations unrealistic, when his expectation is that people not complain about thepromptness of free treatment when the delay is caused by trying to save someone's life. As usual, you try to pretend its somehow unrealistic to expect those receiving free help to do so graciously, even when another's life is on the line.

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First, its incredibly dishonest to talk about how hard Americans don't want to work and the work ethic involved based on agricultural jobs whose wages are artificially depressed by illegals, whose necessity is then claimed based on that same situation.

Second, it is absurd to claim this doctor's high work ethic makes his expectations unrealistic, when his expectation is that people not complain about thepromptness of free treatment when the delay is caused by trying to save someone's life. As usual, you try to pretend its somehow unrealistic to expect those receiving free help to do so graciously, even when another's life is on the line.


First, people were STILL calling unemployed Americans that didn't take the jobs "lazy," DESPITE the fact that the wages were artificially depressed by illegals. That was sort of part of the point.

Second, while that specific lady is an *******, this doctor's rant isn't about her. She's just used as an example and then generalized to all government assistance recipients, whom he proceeds to disparage throughout the rest of the piece.


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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.

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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.

Some yes, but some would also resort to crime I'd imagine. Why work like a slave for just enough money to keep from starving, when you can just break into someone's house and steal their goods? Why not just wait outside BB&Beyond, and whack some old dude in the head and take his wallet? Sure, there are risks involved, but at that point some people would take the risks. And if they get arrested? Free room and board for no work!

/slightlytongueincheek

As to the physician? Grow a sack. People have been acting this way for decades now, and it comes with the territory. Working in the ER is like working in a circus atmosphere. You get a few real emergencies, then you get a whole lot of non-emergencies which include all the crack heads and drunks and low-lifes. Hell, when I worked nights in the ER we had a list of "regulars" who came in every week at least once, for years. It was like Otis on the Andy Griffith show....they had their own room.

The medical system is fubar in this country. The system upholds a self serving ration on physicians, which makes a shortage to increase price. I've known several guys who did very well on their MCAT, and had everything ready to go to med school, but were denied because the list was "full". One who became a cardiac surgeon, had to wait until the following year to get in. One guy waited for 2 years, and then said **** it and did something else.


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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.


And if that doesn't work. there is always going to prison..

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/11/0 ... rylink=cpy

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Transient allegedly robs Yelm bank of single $20 bill, waits outside to be arrested
A "down on his luck" 54-year-old transient is accused of robbing the Yelm Timberland Bank of a single $20 bill Wednesday afternoon, then leaving the bank, lighting a cigarette, and waiting or police to arrive to arrest him, court papers state.

The transient was being held Friday at the Thurston County Jail on suspicion of a single count of first-degree robbery.

According to court papers: About 4 p.m. Wednesday, the man entered the bank, wrote a note on a deposit slip and handed it to the teller. The note read, "This is a robbery, place all the twenties on the counter." The teller looked up at the man, and he said, "It's real. Just do it now."

The teller opened the till drawer and placed all the $20 bills, totaling $200, on the counter. The man picked up a single bill and said, "I just want one." He stepped back and said, "Go ahead, push your button." He then walked outside, lit a cigarette and waited for police.

When Yelm police arrived, the man placed the $20 bill on the ground. Officers recognized the man. He told one officer that he "had nowhere else to go." While being taken to jail, he said, "I did it as nice as I could. It's a poor man's retirement."

During a subsequent interview with officers, he said he was basically "down on his luck and had lost the drive." He added, "I couldn't off myself so I did what I did."

The man said he had been planning the bank robbery for a couple of weeks. He said "it wasn't about the money, "and described his motive as "being on hard times, having been divorced, out of a decent paying job and not wanting to impose any further on family or friends."

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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.

Some yes, but some would also resort to crime I'd imagine. Why work like a slave for just enough money to keep from starving, when you can just break into someone's house and steal their goods? Why not just wait outside BB&Beyond, and whack some old dude in the head and take his wallet? Sure, there are risks involved, but at that point some people would take the risks. And if they get arrested? Free room and board for no work!

/slightlytongueincheek

As to the physician? Grow a sack. People have been acting this way for decades now, and it comes with the territory. Working in the ER is like working in a circus atmosphere. You get a few real emergencies, then you get a whole lot of non-emergencies which include all the crack heads and drunks and low-lifes. Hell, when I worked nights in the ER we had a list of "regulars" who came in every week at least once, for years. It was like Otis on the Andy Griffith show....they had their own room.

The medical system is fubar in this country. The system upholds a self serving ration on physicians, which makes a shortage to increase price. I've known several guys who did very well on their MCAT, and had everything ready to go to med school, but were denied because the list was "full". One who became a cardiac surgeon, had to wait until the following year to get in. One guy waited for 2 years, and then said **** it and did something else.

Castle doctrine fixes much of this. I'm more than willing to canoe the head of anyone committing a property crime.

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First, its incredibly dishonest to talk about how hard Americans don't want to work and the work ethic involved based on agricultural jobs whose wages are artificially depressed by illegals, whose necessity is then claimed based on that same situation.

Second, it is absurd to claim this doctor's high work ethic makes his expectations unrealistic, when his expectation is that people not complain about thepromptness of free treatment when the delay is caused by trying to save someone's life. As usual, you try to pretend its somehow unrealistic to expect those receiving free help to do so graciously, even when another's life is on the line.


First, people were STILL calling unemployed Americans that didn't take the jobs "lazy," DESPITE the fact that the wages were artificially depressed by illegals. That was sort of part of the point.


Yes, which illustrates the problem with the point. Those jobs are available and can be taken. If people want to not take those jobs because they do better on the dole, they ought to be pathetically grateful that they're doing so well, not carrying on about how tough they have it and how rich people don't care. Instead, they just demand more and more.

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Second, while that specific lady is an *******, this doctor's rant isn't about her. She's just used as an example and then generalized to all government assistance recipients, whom he proceeds to disparage throughout the rest of the piece.


She's used as an example because her attitude is representative of those people. Why the hell else would he use her as an example?

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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.

Some yes, but some would also resort to crime I'd imagine. Why work like a slave for just enough money to keep from starving, when you can just break into someone's house and steal their goods? Why not just wait outside BB&Beyond, and whack some old dude in the head and take his wallet? Sure, there are risks involved, but at that point some people would take the risks. And if they get arrested? Free room and board for no work!

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As to the physician? Grow a sack. People have been acting this way for decades now, and it comes with the territory. Working in the ER is like working in a circus atmosphere. You get a few real emergencies, then you get a whole lot of non-emergencies which include all the crack heads and drunks and low-lifes. Hell, when I worked nights in the ER we had a list of "regulars" who came in every week at least once, for years. It was like Otis on the Andy Griffith show....they had their own room.

The medical system is fubar in this country. The system upholds a self serving ration on physicians, which makes a shortage to increase price. I've known several guys who did very well on their MCAT, and had everything ready to go to med school, but were denied because the list was "full". One who became a cardiac surgeon, had to wait until the following year to get in. One guy waited for 2 years, and then said **** it and did something else.


Because in the first case, sooner or later you'll probably get your head blown off and in the second you'll be taking it in the pooper. The geezer in the article cited most likely won't go to prison (thus backfiring his scheme) and if you do something serious enough to get a long sentence and guaranteed room and board you'll most likely be going to a guaranteed hard case joint where you'll be too old to be of much use to a prison gang that might protect you.

As for this "grow a sack" bullshit, wait until your *** is going down from a heart attack or because someone stabbed you. Then tell the guy that tried to work on you to "Grow a sack" because he doesn't like some shithead yelling at him for saving your *** instead of looking at her ingrown tonail.

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Because in the first case, sooner or later you'll probably get your head blown off and in the second you'll be taking it in the pooper. The geezer in the article cited most likely won't go to prison (thus backfiring his scheme) and if you do something serious enough to get a long sentence and guaranteed room and board you'll most likely be going to a guaranteed hard case joint where you'll be too old to be of much use to a prison gang that might protect you.

As for this "grow a sack" bullshit, wait until your *** is going down from a heart attack or because someone stabbed you. Then tell the guy that tried to work on you to "Grow a sack" because he doesn't like some shithead yelling at him for saving your *** instead of looking at her ingrown tonail.


I worked in an ER for 13 years. I know well what goes on, and what to expect. I've worked side by side with probably near 1000 different doctors and surgeons in my time. I was on a code team for a decade, and regularly did compressions on the code because the nurses were better served doing other things like drawing up meds and keeping the doctor straight.

A doctor that has worked in an ER for any amount of time, knows fully well what he's in for. A stupid patient saying stupid **** doesn't affect him in the least. If it did, he would find another area to work in. Some do. This guy sounds like he is new to the process. Maybe he should move on to another area if he can't handle what comes with the territory. Go work in an after hours clinic where you see people with sinus infections and the croop.

So......I think my "***" is quite qualified to say "grow a sack". Working in the ER isn't for pansies like this guy. It's a tough *** job that requires thick skin, a strong stomach, and a hard heart.


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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.


Except if you ask a good percentage of the moralizer conservatives, it IS their work ethic that's the problem. They think these people have some kind of moral obligation to take ANY job, regardless of how **** it is, despite the fact that public assistance exists. Some will even tell you that the simple fact that you are on public assistance, regardless of the reason, makes you a morally bankrupt individual because you are now "enslaving" others. (lol) You see, a "moral" person, if totally unable to find any kind of work, would shoot themselves in the head before stooping so low as to take the public dole and forever mark themselves as human scum.


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So......I think my "***" is quite qualified to say "grow a sack". Working in the ER isn't for pansies like this guy. It's a tough *** job that requires thick skin, a strong stomach, and a hard heart.


This is my experience...the die hard ER staff are thick skinned and have a hard heart. Least that is my experience. If that is not your personality, then you don't survive there. Unfortunately, the reason they become that way is because of the patient population. In my opinion, people go to work in the ED because they have the idea they will be able to "help" ...to actually save a life...there is no better feeling than working on someone, that is CPR in progress in the rig and being able to bring them back. But, every job has its high points and low points and the article gives an example of a low point for that doctor.

I now work as a shared employee with the ED because I didn't like the loss of compassion that I experienced with working there. I still like being a part of the excitement and some patients are grateful and appreciative, but I don't want to become the hard hearted RN that doesnt care. So, I work in a different department and come back and pick up shifts.

The article, unfortunately, is accurate about the patients that come to ER. It is frustrating to see frequent flyers coming in for the same "abdominal pain" every week and saying the same thing..." I am allergic to every narc, doctor, except for dilaudid.". I have seen patients get angry with doctors because the doctor gave them information on free clinics, so they can try and find out why they are having pain....they yelled and screamed, "I want the IV, just give me my dilaudid". It's frustrating, each one of these type of patients, chips away at your compassion. Yet we get graded on the level of compassion with which we treat patients on the survey.... I have been in the trauma room, with CPR in progress, when a patient who jammed his thumb came to the bay door and yelled "is anyone going to come out here and discharge me? Come on I've been here an hour already"

Entitlement attitude does come to mind. It will be interesting to see what Obamacare will do to our health system. It is broken, wish I knew what the fix should be.

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Yes, nobody would take an 80 hour a week job for sub-minimum wage when they have public assistance programs available to them.

But, newsflash. It's not their work ethic that's the problem there. It's the availability of the public assistance. If the options were starve on the streets or afford room and board, even lazy Americans would be leaping at those Agri-jobs.


Except if you ask a good percentage of the moralizer conservatives, it IS their work ethic that's the problem. They think these people have some kind of moral obligation to take ANY job, regardless of how **** it is, despite the fact that public assistance exists. Some will even tell you that the simple fact that you are on public assistance, regardless of the reason, makes you a morally bankrupt individual because you are now "enslaving" others. (lol) You see, a "moral" person, if totally unable to find any kind of work, would shoot themselves in the head before stooping so low as to take the public dole and forever mark themselves as human scum.


If they want my money, it is their **** obligation.

Get off your lazy *** and work. Period.





As to the article, I find it funny this guy blames the administrators at his hospital, considering customer service/patient satisfaction testing is government mandated, not administration choice and that reimbursement (meaning, his salary) is based on those scores. He should be lamenting that, not that it exists.

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So......I think my "***" is quite qualified to say "grow a sack". Working in the ER isn't for pansies like this guy. It's a tough *** job that requires thick skin, a strong stomach, and a hard heart.


Just because you stop and type out a complaint doesn't necessary mean you're a crybaby. He could be very good at his job and know what he's in for, but want to change the system.


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