The Glade 4.0

Not directed at any party or political ideology this time. Just a comment on how stupid the Government model is.

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With these as our protectors I am afraid.

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As am I!!

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Anyone with an IQ over 85 knows airport security is useless for stopping terrorist attacks. It has some value in that it can stop the really crazy or stupid people from just putting a shotgun in their carry-on and going to town with it, but it's not going to do jack **** to determined terrorists. Remember that the 9/11 planes were hijacked using only materials that were perfectly legal to bring on board. Then you had the shoe bomber, the bojinka plot, and that UK plot, all of which would have walked right through security no problem. You think the terrorists don't already know another way to walk right through, given this history?

So we should make it easier for said mundane crazies to bypass security because smart criminals can do so regardless? Brilliant!

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In most cases, Rafael, the mundane crazies were already probably going to be stopped by the measures that were in place prior to 9/11. I think what Xeq is suggesting is that the huge hassles we have to go through now are just a palliative, and an expensive one, at that.

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In the over 8 years since 9/11, has any airplane been hijacked? I can't think of any, but it is possible I'm forgetting.

I don't think hijacking an airplane is something likely to happen successfully much at all. Before 9/11 the response ingrained into everyone during a hijacked plane scenario was "Don't do anything, stay calm, and let the authorities handle it." When 9/11 occured, that completely changed. Now people on the plane are likely to go all out to prevent a hijacking, even risking their own lives.

Edit: The idea of someone hijacking an airplane using box cutters, in a post-9/11 world, is preposterous.

What huge hassels? As annoying as taking your shoes off for the metal detector is, it really isn't that big of an imposition.

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All coats and jackets must be removed and placed in in a bin on the conveyor belt.
All shoes must be removed and placed in a bin on the conveyor belt.
Laptops must be removed from their bag and placed in a separate bin on the conveyor belt.
No liquid in quantities greater than 10oz.
All liquids must fit into a 1 quart storage bag.
This storage bag must be removed from your carry-on and placed in a bin on the conveyor belt.
Only people with a valid boarding pass may pass security.

Now, if you manage to get through the metal detector and the xray without being randomly selected for a more thorough screening, then you get to put your shoes back on, put your coat back on, put your liquid bag back in your suitcase, put your laptop back in your laptop bag, and THEN you can be on your way.

Yeah, no hassle at all...

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Yeah, because clearly someone claimed there was no hassle at all.

None of that is anything more than an inconvenience, and as for "managing" to get through without additional screening, that's what about 99% of the people "manage" to do. I haven't ever even seen anyone pulled aside for more screening, much less been selected and I've flown quite a bit since 9/11. It's not a regular thing you can expect, and even then, how are they really holding you up? You might have to drink one less beer at the terminal bar before you get on the plane.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Funny thing about that "inconvenience" ...

A company who's name I'm not at liberty to mention now charters flights for all of its business travels because of that "inconvenience." This includes small charter aircraft (Piper Malibu for example) and executive aircraft (King Air 3xx for example) and small jets (Cessna Citation). Hiring a pilot and chartering an aircraft for a single passenger is pretty expensive, generally more than the cost of a plane ticket. The 4 hours of airport time lost to security measures, however, means they save money--to the tune 1.3 billion dollars last year.

And the rest of our research indicates that private aviation would be flourishing and saving the country money, provided our President and Congress hadn't ***** about GM and Chrysler using the cheaper alternative to get their people to Washington last Spring.

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I apologize for my vagueness. When I said "no hassle at all", what I was trying to say sarcastically is that the new procedure is a HUGE hassle to me, because not only do I have to remove my coat, hat, shoes, laptop, and liquids, but afterwards I have to put them all back. This is in addition to the standard keys, change, phone, etc that I've always had to deal with. Not only do I have extra hassle, I also have to wait while everybody else does the same thing.

You may not consider it a big hassle, but not everybody agrees with you.

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4 hours of lost airport time? Is that per passanger per airport visit (i.e. 8 hours for a round trip?)

Where are these people going to the airport? I've never seen anything approaching a 4 hour security delay.



Obviously not everyone agrees. That, however, doesn't matter much since it's essentially an appeal to popularity.

The fact of the matter is that yes, airport security measures are an annoyance, but that's all they are. It's hardly some travesty that they are in place.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The difference in my security checkpoint preparations before and after 9/11 is at least 5 minutes. Shoes, coat, disassembling and reassembling luggage for laptop and liquids, etc. all slow down the line. And that 5 minutes compounds, as other people have to wait for it, then do their own 5 minutes, etc.

This is why you have lines at the security checkpoints, now. And at larger airports, they can be very long lines, indeed.

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Diamondeye:

It's 4 hours round trip, since even small commuter hubs now require sequestered passengers at least 90 minutes in advance of boarding.

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They require nothing of the sort. Any timeline like that is purely a recommendation to the passanger so that they don't miss their flight if for some reason there is a delay.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yes, actually, they do. My last four flights have REQUIRED me to be in the post-security part of the airport 90 minutes before boarding. I'll try to remember to scan the notices from Hartsfield and the two commuter hubs I fly out of regularly.

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The problem with airport security is the passgengers. It's also the problem with boarding the planes, deboarding etc. People are stupid, slow, and move in ineffecient sequences. Maybe I have an unfair advantage since I go through more security than a TSA checkpoint 3-4 times a day or more, but even before that, I knew how to get all my **** on and off the conveyor quickly and effeciently.

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I find that very odd. I've flown through airports of varying sizes in Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin within the last year or so. No requirement whatsoever for being through security a certain amount of time beforehand was evident; in fact I was through only 5 minutes before scheduled time for one flight in Florida and no problem appeared.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

There is a local private company here that charges a flat fee for the pilot and then an hourly fee for actual flight time.

Overall, depending on the distance, it is a little bit more expensive than commercial flight, but as a trade off, you can show up at the airport and immediately board the plane, when you land the company has a rental car waiting for your use. The plane waits (at no cost as long as it is within a few hours) for you to return and you can board the plane and leave.

It saves at least 1 hour on each side of the trip over commercial flight, plus the random amount of time between when the meeting/site visit ends and the next scheduled commercial flight (potentially not an insignificant amount of time).

Additionally, the costs are per plane/per hour, not per passenger, so the direct savings for 2 or more people compared to commercial tickets is better, not including time savings.

Plus, you can effectively work on the private plane, unless most commercial, unless you pay for better seating.

Yeah, most liberals are aware this costs more. If they had their way these CEOs would have been forced to endure this and many other inconveniences for no pay, as a "public service" for "helping ruin the economy."

It's the same way with any kind of securty. All you can do is patch the holes you know about and increase the risk vis reward ration for any intruder, or as the old saying goes keep honest people honest.

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I find it funny that any military charter flight I'm on requires us to pass security check points. Aren't we the front line of Homeland Security? I'm carrying an M16 with me...

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Technically it would have been for very little pay, and if they'd decided to quit, no one could have stopped them.



I trust evryone can figure out where that's from without a link.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

necrowombicon?

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