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I wonder if he seriously wants out or is just working on his insanity plea

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I've really never understood the insanity plea. I mean, who cares if they are insane or not. Regardless they need to be removed from society.


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The only thing it does is allow them to be committed for mental treatment instead of just sent to prison. It doesn't get you out of custody.

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Would also take the death penalty off the table I imagine.

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As a crazy person you can be "cured" after therapy and released too.

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In most cases, you still end up in the joint to my knowledge.

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In most cases, you still end up in the joint to my knowledge.

I don't think so, I believe the term is "Not guilty by reason of insanity".

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Rorinthas wrote:
Would also take the death penalty off the table I imagine.


That kind of implies the death penalty isn't a life sentance with more court appearances.

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Maybe he has some sort of anxiety that makes him not relaxed in front of cameras or other people?


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Sorry, I should have clarified my comment. I meant in relation to the level of capital punishment.

I fail to see how being insane lessens the need for or change the nature of the punishment that we've decided is appropriate.


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Because much of our law as it regards to sentencing or even what crime a party is charged/arraigned for depends on intention. It stands to reason that a person mentally incapable of intending to murder someone would fall somewhere along this spectrum less than murder. Granted, IMO, the number of genuinely insane people that enter this plea is relatively small compared to the number of insanity pleas entered.

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Everytime I read the thread title I get the song Hungry Eyes in my head.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Everytime I read the thread title I get the song Hungry Eyes in my head.

After this quote I want to call you Emo instead of Elmo everytime I see your posts :lol:

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Be nice Hopwin. *pets*

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Ten bucks says this guy is just a scared pussy and not insane at all. I agree, insane or not, he needs to be removed from society. And, in my perfect (and will never happen) world, however you committed a crime is the same way you yourself are taken out. Strap him to a chair, have a man (maybe a victim's family member) with an assault rifle and body armor come in, so he can see it coming, and just have him sweat it for a few seconds, and then fire away.

In my opinion, you forfeit your own "human rights" the moment you deny another person of theirs.


On a side note, I've seen "half hearted suicide attempts" up close and personal. Like, within three feet of my person. That particular instance was of a 16 year old kid in a mental hospital who had been in there for a month (and in those places, a week feels like a year). He was going to be released that very day to his parents and the orderlies allowed him to have a razor to shave his 1 month stubble. He comes out, his wrists bleeding, and he's just standing there giggling. I knew exactly what it was. He wasn't trying to kill himself. He was scared. He was scared to leave that place, go home, and rejoin society.

He got his wish. He didn't go home that day.

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I think he should be locked up until it can be proven 99.999999% that he won't commit another violent offense.


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I had a high school teacher many years ago who said, "I'm sorry, but if you murder someone, you're insane. That's not a defense."

Not sure I agree, but it's always made me think in cases like this.

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The real problem is that it's not an exact science. There are legitimately insane people, those who have real chemical imbalances, whose brains aren't wired properly, but our present means to accurately diagnose those people and distinguish them from the 'borderline' patients, or savvy actors, is sad at best.

edit: that being said, whatever your diagnosis, if you've committed a horrible crime, and proven you're a danger to society, you should be removed from society.


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Not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't mean "not guilty". The legal defiinition for it is, as I understand it, that the person was unable to understand that what they were doing was wrong. Not just didn't understand, but couldn't.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Not guilty by reason of insanity doesn't mean "not guilty". The legal defiinition for it is, as I understand it, that the person was unable to understand that what they were doing was wrong. Not just didn't understand, but couldn't.

http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/article ... anity.html

No it is indeed not guilty. You are locked up until you are deemed to no longer be a threat to society.

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Yes, you're correct. I was thinking of Guilty But Mentally Ill/Guilty but Insane.

Incompetency and mental illness

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An important distinction to be made is the difference between competency and criminal responsibility.

The issue of competency is whether a defendant is able to adequately assist his attorney in preparing a defense, make informed decisions about trial strategy and whether or not to plead guilty or accept a plea agreement. This issue is dealt with in UK law as "fitness to plead"[citation needed].

Competency largely deals with the defendant's present condition, while criminal responsibility addresses the condition at the time the crime was committed[citation needed].

In the United States, a trial in which the insanity defense is invoked typically involves the testimony of psychiatrists or psychologists who will, as expert witnesses, present opinions on the defendant's state of mind at the time of the offense.

Therefore, a person whose mental disorder is not in dispute is determined to be sane if the court decides that despite a "mental illness" the defendant was responsible for the acts committed and will be treated in court as a normal defendant. If the person has a mental illness and it is determined that the mental illness interfered with the person's ability to determine right from wrong (and other associated criteria a jurisdiction may have) and if the person is willing to plead guilty or is proven guilty in a court of law, some jurisdictions have an alternative option known as either a Guilty but Mentally Ill (GBMI) or a Guilty but Insane verdict. The GBMI verdict is available as an alternative to, rather than in lieu of, a "not guilty by reason of insanity" verdict.[13] Michigan (1975) was the first state to create a GBMI verdict, after two prisoners released after being found NGRI committed violent crimes within a year of release, one raping two women and the other killing his wife.[14]

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A friend of mine lost his niece in that shooting. I would love to get my hands on that MOFO!!

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I know I am going to come across as a knuckle dragging, old testament, Eye for an eye, person. But we put down mad dogs I see know reason not to put down an violent insane person just as quickly and humanly.

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Aethien wrote:
I had a high school teacher many years ago who said, "I'm sorry, but if you murder someone, you're insane. That's not a defense."

Not sure I agree, but it's always made me think in cases like this.


I definitely disagree with that teacher.

There are completely sane reasons to kill someone in cold blood. ("Murder" is only defined by whether that killing was legal or illegal, and has no bearing on whether the person comitting it is sane or not.)

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