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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 am 
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Granted hopefully some company will pick it up. I feel sorry for the non union employee's who did not force it.

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Hostess Brands has asked permission of the bankruptcy court to shut down its business.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Hostess Brands -- the maker of such iconic baked goods as Twinkies, Devil Dogs and Wonder Bread -- announced Friday that it is asking a federal bankruptcy court for permission to close its operations, blaming a strike by bakers protesting a new contract imposed on them.

The closing will result in Hostess' nearly 18,500 workers losing their jobs as the company shuts 33 bakeries and 565 distribution centers nationwide, as well as 570 outlet stores. The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union represents around 5,000.

"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," said CEO Gregory Rayburn in a statement.

Hostess will move to sell its assets to the highest bidder. That could mean new life for some of its most popular products, which could be scooped up at auction and attached to products from other companies.

A letter that Hostess sent to its network of stores that carry its product said it expects "there will be great interest in our brands." But it said it could not give a time frame for when the sales would take place and its products would be available again.

But even if those brands are bought and restarted, the Hostess workers will not get their jobs back.

"The industry has overcapacity. We're overcapacity. Our rivals are overcapacity," said Rayburn in an interview on CNBC. Asked if the shutdown decision could be reversed if the Bakers' union agreed to immediately return to work, he responded, "Too late."

While approval of the bankruptcy court is needed before the company can start selling its assets in liquidation, the company said production at all of its bakeries has ceased effective Friday, and that stores will no longer receive products from Hostess Brands. But products that are already in stores can be sold, and the outlet stores will remain open for several days to sell the products they already have.

Related: Cake Wreck -- From icon to bust

Hostess had annual sales of about $2.5 billion. The company said there are had been 500 million Twinkies made annually.

Its bread brands, including Wonder Bread, Nature's Pride and Butternut, make the company the No. 2 bead baker in the country, according to Symphjony/IRI Group. Bimbo Bakeries, maker of Arnold and Stroehmann brands, is the No. 1 bread baker.

The company had given a 5 p.m. ET Thursday deadline for the bakers to return to work or face a shutdown of the company. The unions at Hostess could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision.

Hostess filed for bankruptcy in January, its second trip to bankruptcy court since 2004. It previously emerged from restructuring in 2009 after a four-and-a-half year process.

Related: The history of labor battles at Hostess

The company is now controlled by a group of investment firms, including hedge funds Silver Point Capital and Monarch Alternative Capital.

In September, one of its major unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, voted narrowly to accept a new contract with reduced wages and benefits. The bakers' union rejected the deal, however, prompting Hostess management to secure permission from a bankruptcy court to force a new concession contract on workers.

The Teamsters union, which represents 7,500 Hostess workers, has been sharply critical of the smaller Bakers' decision to strike, saying it was forcing the company to the cusp of liquidation. The Teamsters said Thursday that the Bakers' union should hold a secret ballot vote on the company's offer, rather than the voice votes that were held in union halls around the country that authorized the decision to strike.

Related: How brands can survive bankruptcy

"It is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the [Bakers union] Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike," said the Teamsters' statement.

The Bakers' union has made several statements earlier in the week saying management is to blame for the condition of the company, not the strike.

The new contract cut salaries across the company by 8% in the first year of the five-year agreement. Salaries were then scheduled to bump up 3% in the next three years and 1% in the final year.

Hostess also reduced its pension obligations and its contribution to the employees' health care plan. In exchange, the company offered concessions, including a 25% equity stake for workers and the inclusion of two union representatives on an eight-member board of directors. To top of page
Do you work for Hostess? We want to hear from you. E-mail us and your story might be included in our coverage.

First Published: November 16, 2012: 7:28 AM ET


Hard to belive that the Teamsters were the more responsible of the two unions.
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Wow. I read something the other day about this but I thought it was only affecting three of their bakeries. Didn't know it was now the whole company.

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You know it's bad when even another union tells you the company can't afford what you want.

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Way to stay strong bakers union. Hope it was worth it.

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I think this and maybe a few other high profile closures are really probably pretty healthy as a wake-up call to unions and the country about the way business finance works.

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Way to stay strong bakers union. Hope it was worth it.


I bet that 8% cut that was on the table is looking pretty good compared to the 100% cut they're now going to receive.

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Way to stay strong bakers union. Hope it was worth it.


I bet that 8% cut that was on the table is looking pretty good compared to the 100% cut they're now going to receive.

Why? Now they get 99 weeks of unemployment right? That'll carry them to the next congressional election.

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Oh unintended consequences, how you do go on.

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Let's bail out Hostess and save all those Union jobs.

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Let's bail out Hostess and save all those Union jobs.


We must! To not do so would be as un-American as over-processed, simulated apple pie-like products!


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18k jobs lost because some stupid cocksuckers could not just take a small paycut...

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Hopwin wrote:
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Way to stay strong bakers union. Hope it was worth it.


I bet that 8% cut that was on the table is looking pretty good compared to the 100% cut they're now going to receive.

Why? Now they get 99 weeks of unemployment right? That'll carry them to the next congressional election.


In the vast majority of states, you're not eligible for unemployment benefits if you lose your job while striking.


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18k jobs lost because some stupid cocksuckers could not just take a small paycut...


That happened to a local manufacturing plant where we live. The union had a hissy fit about pay cuts and other benefits and went on strike, then refused the compromise that was offered them...they stubbornly kept striking for over a year and then the company just decided to sell the location altogether and close it down.
They spent a year not working and have no jobs at all now and over 2/3 of the former employees were all within striking distance of retirement age with nothing more than high school educations and that one job on their resume....they really screwed themselves over as they have zero job prospects now.


No more twinkies, eh? :(

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Xequecal wrote:
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DFK! wrote:
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Way to stay strong bakers union. Hope it was worth it.


I bet that 8% cut that was on the table is looking pretty good compared to the 100% cut they're now going to receive.

Why? Now they get 99 weeks of unemployment right? That'll carry them to the next congressional election.


In the vast majority of states, you're not eligible for unemployment benefits if you lose your job while striking.

You cannot while on strike.

If your strike forces your employer out of business you are GTG in all but 6 states (Idaho, Michigan, North Carolina, Oregon, Texas and Virginia)

http://www.ehow.com/info_8446270_union- ... efits.html

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As much disdain as I have for most unions in their current form, I would love to blame them for this.

Unfortunately, the Hostess company, which was already in bankruptcy is mostly to blame. Their product line was failing because, generally, people are trending towards healthier snacks, and they failed to adapt.

I don't know what their post bankruptcy business plan was. Hopefully it was more substantial than just reducing pay and benefits.


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You cannot while on strike.

If your strike forces your employer out of business you are GTG in all but 6 states (Idaho, Michigan, North Carolina, Oregon, Texas and Virginia)

http://www.ehow.com/info_8446270_union- ... efits.html


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If you actively participate in the strike, you don't get unemployment if you subsequently lose your job.

Those 6 states go even further and prevent you from collecting umemployment if your union strikes anywhere, for any reason, even if you aren't striking. But if you actually go on strike and then lose your job you can't collect unemployment.


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At least Frito Lay seems to be doing ok.

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Hostess outlet just down the road from where we live, My wife and I stopped in this morning with and bought everything. had a truck pick it up distribute to as many shelters as we could find.
Did save few boxes of Twinkies though.

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I'd be wildly curious to look at the books for them, and see how the distribution of cuts and wages were between all employess, including management.


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I'd be wildly curious to look at the books for them, and see how the distribution of cuts and wages were between all employess, including management.

When you go out of you business both sides get paid 0%. Coming off your 2nd bankruptcy I'd bet ownership gets a nice hunk of 0% too.

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BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.


Totally, 100% the fault of the Unions, yep.


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Hopwin wrote:
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I'd be wildly curious to look at the books for them, and see how the distribution of cuts and wages were between all employess, including management.

When you go out of you business both sides get paid 0%. Coming off your 2nd bankruptcy I'd bet ownership gets a nice hunk of 0% too.


Riiight.

Money says that every senior executive there has a golden parachute.

That said, what I was indicating was what cuts were made on the last proposal that the union refused.


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