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 Post subject: Re: Petraeus Affair
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:28 pm 
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We only care in that:
1. Did it comprise his sensitive position? Did she have access to intel she shouldn't have or does it make him a target for blackmail?

2. What does it say about the other aspects of his integrity. He did make a promise to his wife and if he's shaky about that what does it say about the oaths he's made to his country.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:13 pm 
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Rorinthas wrote:
We only care in that:
1. Did it comprise his sensitive position? Did she have access to intel she shouldn't have or does it make him a target for blackmail?


We live in an age of indefinite detention without warrants and extrajudicial kidnapping and extraditing of suspects. This is done by the CIA. You therefore, could not, comprise the director of the CIA. Not unless you wish to be in GITMO forever.

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2. What does it say about the other aspects of his integrity. He did make a promise to his wife and if he's shaky about that what does it say about the oaths he's made to his country.


He's the head of the world's largest clandestine agency. I don't want him to have integrity. In fact, I only want him to be better at hiding it.

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Strikes me if he was uncovered because his email was read, I think its safe to say he's incompetent on modern (internet) security issues an shouldn't be heading up one of the worlds largest intelligence organizations.


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There are more facets to intelligence than electronic security. Way more.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:56 pm 
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Running the CIA or any other large organization has nothing whatsoever to do with proficiency with computers, even at the basic level. He successfully managed large complex military oeganizations and retieved the situation in Iraq, but somehlwow someone getting his emails makes him an incompetent administrator.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:06 pm 
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Diamondeye wrote:
He successfully managed large complex military oeganizations and retieved the situation in Iraq, but somehlwow someone getting his emails makes him an incompetent administrator.


Indeed. All that really proves is that somebody else is a competent hacker.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:35 am 
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Especially since the lengths someone would go to to gain access to the CIA director's email are much higher than the effort someone would put into getting to most anyone else's.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Actually, there was no hacking involved. In fact, the FBI didn't have to access any private information at all to find out about Petraeus's involvement. That information was voluntarily handed to them by Jill Kelley when she received an anonymous email (sent by Broadwell as it turns out) threatening her to stay away from Petraeus.

Broadwell and Petraeus shared a throw-away Gmail account. They corresponded by composing messages and leaving them in the Drafts folder so that nothing was ever transmitted, just stored. For whatever reason, draft emails aren't considered "electronic storage". Therefore, the FBI didn't even need a warrant -- just a subpoena. The same goes for obtaining the IP addresses used to access the account, and to obtain guest lists from the hotels that matched (some of) those addresses. That was how they identified Broadwell. They cross-referenced hotel guest lists on the dates that messages were created until they narrowed them down to a single guest.

No one has said what technical precautions Petraeus took, probably because it wouldn't have mattered in this case. The weakest link in his security chain was the human element. He was doomed from the moment he trusted Broadwell not to do anything stupid.

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No one has said what technical precautions Petraeus took, probably because it wouldn't have mattered in this case. The weakest link in his security chain was the human element. He was doomed from the moment he trusted Broadwell not to do anything stupid.


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