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 Post subject: Obammacare and the DMV
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:28 am 
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... -Obamacare

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Nothing says good sense like Paul Krugman these days. The Nobel Prize-winning economist recently said that the United States should go back to a 91% top tax bracket; now he says at The New York Times that he’s looking forward to healthcare being run by the DMV. Seriously:


As it happens, I’ve recently had fairly extensive dealings with both our health care system and with the New Jersey DMV. In one case, I encountered vast amounts of paperwork, mind-numbing bureaucracy, and extremely frustrating delays. In the other, my needs were met quickly and politely.


So far, then, it’s DMV 1, private health system (and I have very good insurance) 0.



If this is the new Obamacare pitch, it’s going to need some work.




I wonder what DMV this man has been going too, my experiences are very much in the reverse.

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I have to admit the Delaware DMV is light years ahead of Pennsylvania. Its clean, you get a ticket like a deli counter and the person at the info booth actually answers questions! After years of dealing with Pennsylvania I was amazed.

That being said, another paper pusher between me and my doctor can in no way make healthcare cheaper or more accessible.

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Paul Krugman is a perfect example of everything wrong with the American Liberal today.

1. Krugman is a fraud -- he plagiarized his dissertation.

2. Krugman is more wrong than right, inconsistent, and internally contradictory on a regular basis -- I've demonstrated that with his op-ed.

3. Government is already the problem with Healthcare in the United States.

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I found the best DMV in Pa the people staffing it are pleasant and competent and it is well hidden so not many people are ever there at one time - its even bright and clean.

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My wife had to go to the DMV (MVA here) three times when we moved to this awful state just to transfer her license over. The third time it took a bank statement with her name and address on it, a lease with her name on it, her old license from CO, her federal student loan paperwork, her social security card, and her dependant military ID card. Even with all that, I had to come in with her in uniform and present additional ID of my own before the exceptionally unpleasant (even for Maryland) woman behind the counter would give her one.

Not before she started yelling at me about how she didn't see how it was legal for me to not get a Maryland drivers license myself. If anyone in the world should understand that you'd think it'd be DMV employees near Fort Meade/Andrews/Bethesda/Etc...

No thanks to anything else in my life working like that.


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The two PA DMV's I went too are both horrible in different ways. On Oxford I will hand to bible swear they do not have a english line, near every other language, but the two times I tried to go there to be told in very broken english that the person was out sick. I know it will sound racist but it really struck me as the bar from starwars.

Much further away up in Nashameny it is just unpleasntly beurocratic(sp) everyone is miserable and they do their best to pass that along to the customer.

The New Jersey DMV managed to top those two, trying to get my wife (then girl friend's) drivers licence transfered from MA to NJ, as a work visa holder was a nightmare. She needed in excess of a dozen different pieces of identification, collaberation, and documentation to qualify. The agravating was that they accepted a print out from her bank as proof of holding a US bank account, but would not accept the address on the print out they had already accepted as a proof of location. Instead they would have prefered a government doccument addressed to that location. We ended up comming back with a box from Amazon, which started a 6 member team meeting to dicuss its qualifiication.

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The Rosemont / Bryn Mawr DMV is the secret guys. Excellent, friendly, fast service.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
The Rosemont / Bryn Mawr DMV is the secret guys. Excellent, friendly, fast service.


The real secret is living in the mid/south west and not the east coast or the south...


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In Rhode Island it's about a six hour wait for most simple transactions at our DMV.

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The last couple DMV trips here in Utah have taken 10-15m each. I can never remember one taking longer than an hour. I don't envy you guys.


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Jocificus wrote:
The last couple DMV trips here in Utah have taken 10-15m each. I can never remember one taking longer than an hour. I don't envy you guys.

Same here in Ohio.

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When I was in Ohio, the service was fast and efficient, but rude.

In Texas, it's polite and efficient, but slow. They also dick up your voter registration. The latter, however, might have to do with the fact that I conducted by business in English.

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It's interesting how the DMV has the reputation as being the most terrible example of government **** yet almost everyone here has positive experiences at the DMV.


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It's interesting how the DMV has the reputation as being the most terrible example of government **** yet almost everyone here has positive experiences at the DMV.

What? Did you read ANY of the posts above?

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I don't. Until 3 years ago when I found the so far solitary exception to the standard of horrible service, long times, and rude people.

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Hopwin wrote:
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It's interesting how the DMV has the reputation as being the most terrible example of government **** yet almost everyone here has positive experiences at the DMV.

What? Did you read ANY of the posts above?


I did, but apparently skimmed a couple. It's closer to 50/50 based on the posts before my initial one.

Personally, I've never had a bad experience at a DMV. And that is sampling ones in ND, MN and TX. There were some where they took a while, but everyone was at least professional if not polite and courteous.


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OMG the DMV is hell on earth. Awful people, awful rules, awful paperwork, you can almost never get your task completed in one trip.

I'm actually surprised that the Glen Burnie, MD DMV hasn't pissed off the wrong person.


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Missouri DMV was awful with 2+ hour waits to renew registration back in 2008. Maryland DMV ("MVA") had computer systems unavailable twice.

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I have never had a good experience at a DMV, and having spent 20 years on active duty, I've been in a lot of them...

My DMV experiences have been bad enough that I've actually been tempted to just say fsck-it, and not bother.

The only good thing I can say is that since I've retired, I haven't had to go very often...


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I wonder if the had a good experience is more of a branch size issue. I've had a decent time with minimal wait but I live in a less densely populated county too.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
OMG the DMV is hell on earth. Awful people, awful rules, awful paperwork, you can almost never get your task completed in one trip.

I'm actually surprised that the Glen Burnie, MD DMV hasn't pissed off the wrong person.

They almost did with my wife. That's the one I Was talking about above...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Sheesh! Do none of these awful DMVs have online capabilities for making appointments or renewing registrations, etc? I haven't been to the DMV since my son was taking his driving test for his driver's license almost 15 years ago. :D

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LOL... APPOINTMENTS? LOL!!


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You laugh, Midgen, but Georgia allows your schedule appointments, renew online, and do several other things. Even the busiest State Patrol post in the state has an enter-to-exit average of 20 minutes. Oh, right, our Department of Driver Services is a subunit of the Georgia State Patrol.

Now, mind you, to get a license you need ...

1. A certified copy of your birth certificate
2. Your Social Security Card
3. 2 Pieces of mail from your current residential address post-marked in the last 30 days
4. Your last insurance billing statement
5. Your insurance card
6. Your registration
7. A state issued photo-id as proof of identity -- non-expired Driver's License, State Identification Card, or Passport

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Arizona's is not bad, but I was with my Dad when he was registering a new car in Kansas. It was a nightmare. It took around 4 hours, which was apparently an improvement.


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