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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:56 pm 
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I believe that estimate is based on serialized weapons sold through FFLs but also takes into account weapons ownership by extrapolation methods. Even if there were a third of that many guns, it would take forever just to register them let alone confiscate them even with a complicit population. Just think of the logistics involved.

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That's because the legal challenges were in the Supreme Court of South Australia (a state of Australia), not in the Australian High Court.

Also, Australia does not have anywhere near the level of enumerated rights for legal challenges to fall back on as we do in the Bill of Rights.

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Rafael wrote:
Just think of the logistics involved.


Logistics would also be complicated by the Elmo's of the world shooting the confiscatory representatives when they come to take the weapons.

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RE: the lethality of assault weapons.

I fully know that round per round there are plenty of weapons that are "more lethal" than most assault weapons. However, what I'm really talking about with lethality is ammo capacity and ease of reload. Most weapons don't come with 30 round easy to change magazines and a rate of file that allows you to quickly discharge all of them and keep firing without jamming or overheating the barrel.

As for the 1994 assault gun ban, I completely agree that it was stupidly written and didn't really actually even effectively address what truly makes something an assault weapon.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Rate of fire and ease of reload are not major factors in the lethality of a weapon. High rates of fire waste munitions, and ease of reload is much more a factor of practice than weapon design.


edit: The reason why this is so is that in a mass shooting situation, the shooter is, by definition, shooting at people who cannot effectively fight back (for whatever reason). In that situation, the total quantity of ammunition the shooter carries matters, but the time and frequency of magazine refills do not unless they are SO ponderous and frequent as to render the shooter ineffective or unless one or more victims both know how to and actually do exploit the weakness. This is no mean feat, though, and counting on magazine limits or limits on automatic fore to create those opportunities is wishful thinking.

In fact, strange as it may sound it may actually be desirable for a shooter to have an automatic weapon so that he will waste his ammunition. Controlling an automatic weapon requires specific training.

Where magazine change difficulty and frequency matter is when someone else has a weapon. If that someone else is another armed citizen, limits are more likely to put them at a disadvantage because they are more likely to care about following the law than the shooter is. Limits might disadvantage the shooter against the police if he was not able to obtain weapons with large capacities, but really the police should confront the shooter with a numerical advantage anyhow so that's also unlikely to matter.

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Even if those features could be regulated, it's not going to keep them out of the hands of mass murderers.

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Aizle:

You're a shooter and you're buying into bullshit that's frankly not quite true. I can reload most of my bolt action rifles with a 5 round stripper clip of one sort or another. Almost all of your modern hunting rifles have 5 round magazines at that. An AR-15 with a 30 round magazine has the same capacity as an M2 Carbine and less reliability. And neither of them is going to compare with a good bullpup configured SMG for tactical clears, room control, and anti-personnel actions, or a nicely tailored shotgun as the case may be.

The American gun lobby is stupid. And I really don't want to see anymore people saying we should further regular firearms when it's a point blank fact: gun control laws just keep the innocent from being armed.

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