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I must say I'm suprised at some of the attitudes here. For all the proclaimed Christians here, I hear no one suggesting forgiveness.

Not that I think this situation necessarily warrants it. Frankly outside oonagh and foamy, none of us know enough of the nuance to suggest a course of action.

Yes, let's take a thread about Foamy's recurring issues with his parents and use it as a forum to take cheap shots at people's religious beliefs.

Maybe the problem is his parents. Maybe the problem is entirely with Foamy and Oonagh! Maybe, and as is most often the case, the problem lies somewhere in the middle.

But here's the rub: It doesn't matter who is the problem. It doesn't matter one bit. The solution to Foamy's problem is to spend time with the family he gets along with, and to avoid the family he fights with. That's where he finds his harmony.

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I don't claim to be one, but I'll tell you something for sure the only forgiveness that needs to be happening at this point is them asking for ours. No offense, TheRiov, but I took that route years ago with them and it proved nothing because a woman with this much mental illness has been given to many forgiveness's and allowances which has allowed her to continue her awful behavior. She has never been made to pay for her misgivings because she, in her mind, has done none. Ask not only myself, but Elmo and Hannibal here can vouch for the insanity that is Mom. She is notorious among my family for being a problem causer. I mean seriously she allowed my three year old to run around on an in-ground pool deck towards the pool, where my father-in-law nonchalantly would put his hand out to stop him from falling in. Do you know why she did this because she doesn't want to hear him cry for being pulled out of the pool yard. I had to do it and yanked him out of their hands and that was the end of that. I don't think that that deserves forgiveness, that deserves white jackets with locks for these two. Or in a courtroom the judge would arrest me for allowing my children to be in their care. While your solution of forgiveness sounds like a great one, it is only deserved by those who feel truly sorry for something they did. NORMAL People would. These two never feel that way at all or have done anything wrong in their minds and this is why I stick by Foamy in his decision to not wanting to make peace without a third outside party.

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To forgive someone they have to ask for it first and be truly remorseful, otherwise the forgiveness isn't. It's just capitulation. Nice attempt at a cheap shot, though.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

+1 ^ ^ ^ +1

Forgiveness is not a course of action, and has nothing to do with actually dealing with a situation. It does not mean exposing yourself to more of the same treatment. It's also not your place to be worrying about whether or not Christians are suggesting it.



tambien

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

We forgive embezzlers, but we don't let them back to being church treasurers.

He should forgive them in that he should release his right to seek redress for his grievances and stop speaking ill of them and the like, but that doesn't mean they should be restored to fellowship until such a time as they are ready to demonstrate a willingness to change.

David was forgiven of his adultery and murder in the bible, but there will still consequences. His child died, his family life was a wreck, and he didn't get to build the temple.

If they truly repent (change their mind about the situation, which to me seems lacking), then by all means they should be forgiven and given the opportunity (though counseling as foamy suggested) to restore their close family relationship.

In other words:


It'd be nice if Foamy had someone to act as a second party or church (extended family might work) between him and his folks, but it doesn't appear by his own admission that is the case. What it does appear to me is that he's given them ample opportunity for his parents to hear of their trespasses in the spirit of the passages, but they have not listened. thus maybe it's time for the separation until such time as they are ready.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Might be that I've seen all the 'Christian Love' and 'Christian Charity' that came out this year.

The 11 family members who turned their backs and asked one of my closest family members to leave the family gathering when they came out of the closet. In the name of their God.

Or how about the 10 minute rant I got from two Christian family members who suggested my wife and I need to have more white children to make up for the fact that my step-son isn't 100% Caucasian.

Or how about the family member who suggested that my wife's career was useless because all of Psychology is just "The Bible" rehashed. (of course this family member has been on antidepressants for 4 years.)

Or maybe listening to her whine that her idiot son who at 21 and 'pre-med' who can't get in to medical school (The boy thought that narcotic=applied to the skin... as of 4 days ago) because he's being discriminated against because he's Catholic and white.



Yup. So yeah, I'm a little short on tolerance for Christian hypocrisy today.

That's not Christian hypocrisy, that's just hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with Christianity. It also has nothing to do with any Christians allegedly condemning "forgiveness" because the situation doesn't involve anything resembling the potential for forgiveness.

People being a dick to you gives you no justification for trying to take cheap shots at people here who had nothing to do with your shitty family situation.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Wah. You're the one who injected any mention of Christianity (or any religion at all) into the discussion, then you act all butt-hurt? THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

If you're going to do this idiotic extrapolation, then I should presume that A) based on your actions, anti-Christian bigots are assholes who can't figure out how to carry on a **** adult conversation, B) you have no class or tact (comparing a fellow Glader to a monster who murdered a classroom of children in cold blood ring a bell?), and C) given your behavior here, and what you've just said about your relatives, your apple didn't fall nearly as far from your family tree as you'd like to think.

Take your victim card and shove it.

So, because you allegedly had issues with your family over the holidays, you think the logical thing to do is come to the Glade, go in Foamy's thread about his family issues, invent your own idea of what forgiveness is and is not in Christianity, ***** that the Christians are not "suggesting" it, and then when people point out that A) you don't know what you're talking about and B) that this thread is about Foamy's family problems, not for taking cheap shots at the religious beliefs you don't like, you start huffing and puffing about these family issues we had no way of knowing about in the first place?

This somehow makes sense to you?

You evidently don't even know what hypocrisy means; I have news for you: thinking Psychology is all in the bible or that you're being discriminated against for being a white catholic when you're actually stupid have nothing at all to do with hypocrisy. Hypocrisy does not mean ignorance. It also does not mean "any time a Christian says something TheRiov finds fault with."

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This +1

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"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

Riov, I'm sorry to hear about your problems with your family as well. I didn't mean to upset you. I just wanted to set the record strait as I understood it. My parents don't believe what I believe and all this makes me thankful we get along as we'll as we do.

However, they aren't members of my church or foamy's to the best of my knowledge, and we can't do anything about their off kilter views anymore than you can do anything about the KKK or any other group or individual that speaks for your demographic.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Foamy and Oonagh:

May you find the peace and comfort you need.

TheRiov:

Perhaps, and I'm just going out on a limb here, you wouldn't find yourself so beset with "Christian hypocrisy" if you didn't make it a point to be openly antagonistic to anyone's faith or expressions thereof; all of us at the Glade know well enough the fact that people believing in any god offends you quite viscerally, but just as you have tried to make someone else's thread about you and your political dislike for religion and faith, I suspect you spend a lot of time trying to make people's holidays about how they're failing to live up to your interpretations of their god and gods.

The only thing offensive about your list of incidents -- that seething hatred for all people who believe in a god you tried to veneer with that Saran Wrap of falsifications just so you could bash Christians.

I'm with FarSky on this one ...

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Except that kept my mouth shut in all the above conversations. And you don't know WHAT my faith is. It would be highly hypocritical of me to look down on someone because they believe in God.

But you know, I made a passing comment suggesting I was surprised I didn't hear more about forgiveness when people were offering advice. Since Forgivness is a central Christian tenant, and we're discussing it in the context of the celebration of a Christian holiday, it was hardly off topic.

It was the next slew of people who took offense and named me in the post who tried to make the thread 'about me'

And when my motives for the one single line I posted regarding Christianity were called into question, I briefly expanded on the topic.

Farsky, you have zero idea of what the term 'victim card' means. I in no way used it as a 'poor me' statement. I had a great holiday. I just have idiots for relatives. Someone called into question my opinion and I stated why I have that opinion.

And Khross, speaking of being a hypocrite... I'm still here. Why are you? You promised you'd leave as long as I posted here. Yet another Khross claim with no ability to follow through.....

So is the gist of Riov's posts that his life sucks worse than Foamy's? Because I'm okay with that.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

If by "expanding" on it, you tried to hold some sort of pity party for yourself to try and garner sympathy for the ridiculous comment you made initially, then yes, you certainly expanded on it. You didn't make a "passing comment" trying to challenge the way people think. It was clearly a poorly conceived "gotcha" attempt.

Now, in your final display, you're backed into a corner YOU put yourself in and you're lashing out defensively. It's really quite a pathetic display.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Oh I quite agree. Unfortunately in the past when I try to discuss things via PM like mature adults do, and NOT take over threads, I get told by certain individuals that they'll report me for doing so. Therefore, I'm forced to do it publicly.

When you harass people in PMs as you did to SquirrelGirl and tried to do to me, you deserve to be reported.

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"nothing like a little meow in bed at night" ~ Bruskey

"I gotta float my stick same as you" Hondo Lane

"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

The Riov, seriously dude stop being an ***.

You were out of line in this thread and if you don't know it you should.

1 PM Asking what your issue with me was when I had NEVER addressed you before once you fired multiple insults my way = Harassment.

Check.

Did you miss the part where I said you tried with me?? Reading comprehension for the win! I have responded to you in kind, and I do not recall ever hurling insults your way as you do to so many others here. To quote Aizle "stop being an ***".

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"Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use one!"~ Matthew Quigley

"nothing like a little meow in bed at night" ~ Bruskey

"I gotta float my stick same as you" Hondo Lane

"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

someone please split this off so Foamy can have his thread back.


But since we're here:

Number of Posts where TheRiov mentions Jasmy by name, including this one: 3
Number of insults contained in those posts: 0

Number of Posts where Jasmy mentions TheRiov by name: 6
Number of Insults contained in those posts: 4

With regards to SG, 2 messages, (including the 2nd one which said I wouldn't message her anymore != harassment either)

All of which could have been avoided had you realized the purpose of the thread was for Foamy and Oonagh to discuss their issue, not for you to play Christian Hypocrisy Police with the responses.

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