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Wait...I thought having a gun was supposed to make it less likely that your home was hit. Wasn't that what people are complaining about? That the list was a list telling burglars what houses weren't "protected?"


It's only like that when it's convenient for arguing against gun control legislation. C'mon get with the program...


If you read this thread and linked articles, you'll see it repeatedly mentioned that it is a dangerous list for both gunowners and those without the guns. Some will almost assuredly be targeted because they aren't on the list, but that will likely be harder to track. As one of the former criminals was quoted in an article a while back. It is good for criminals looking for soft targets, and it is good for criminals looking for guns. It endangers both people. Or rather it endangers the people that don't have guns, and the property of people that do.


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Technically, that's only Hippo Crit Chance.

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Technically, that's only Hippo Crit Chance.


If you're playing *blech* 3rd ed.

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As opposed to the WoW clone that came after it?

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As opposed to the WoW clone that came after it?


Or the perfection that was 2E. ;)

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As opposed to the WoW clone that came after it?


Or the perfection that was 2E. ;)

Roll a 20, crit. That's how I roll.


2E certainly had its advantages and was a significant improvement over 1E, as long as you stuck to the core books and the extra monster lists. Some of the complete handbooks and extra guidebooks were decent, even really good. Complete Thief's Handbook was my favorite.

However, it had plenty of vices of its own. Introducing specialist mages was great.. the restrictions on them were beyond silly. It greatly raised the demi-human level limits.. ignoring the fact that they served no purpose and should have been eliminated altogether. Worst, it catered entirely too much to the silly fears of RPGs in the era it was published in.

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As opposed to the WoW clone that came after it?


Or the perfection that was 2E. ;)

Roll a 20, crit. That's how I roll.


2E certainly had its advantages and was a significant improvement over 1E, as long as you stuck to the core books and the extra monster lists. Some of the complete handbooks and extra guidebooks were decent, even really good. Complete Thief's Handbook was my favorite.

However, it had plenty of vices of its own. Introducing specialist mages was great.. the restrictions on them were beyond silly. It greatly raised the demi-human level limits.. ignoring the fact that they served no purpose and should have been eliminated altogether. Worst, it catered entirely too much to the silly fears of RPGs in the era it was published in.



Other things I disliked about 2E:
-Ability scores did nothing unless they were extremely high.
-Customizing your character outside the basics of the class was near-impossible. (Feat choices in 3rd edition, and on-the-fly multiclassing, allow any two rangers to be entirely different beasts, mechanically)

I think 3rd edition struck a very good balance, acquiring much of the modularity and customizability of open, classless systems like White Wolf, but maintaining much of the structure of 1E/2E/Palladium. It was almost, but not quite, the best of both worlds.

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Second edition didn't have critical hits until they started doing the Player's Option books.

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So if someone rampages in a school with one of these stolen guns, it's not the shooters fault right? It's the original gun owners? The newspaper that printed the map?


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So if someone rampages in a school with one of these stolen guns, it's not the shooters fault right? It's the original gun owners? The newspaper that printed the map?

Clearly it is the guns fault.

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