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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:47 am 
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A report by a panel of experts released on Thursday questioned whether the federal government's food stamp program adequately provides for healthy diets for the more than 47 million low-income people who rely on the benefit.

The report by the National Academy of Sciences found that the aid for families to pay for groceries, officially called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, does not account for many barriers to finding affordable, nutritious food by inner-city shoppers.

Panelists for the academy, an independent group of scientists who advise the federal government, also said benefits lag behind the increasing cost of food and the program penalizes beneficiaries with jobs.

The U.S. Agriculture Department, which administers the aid program, sought the report to help it determine the best way to assess whether food stamps benefits are adequate for recipients to have access to a healthy diet.

"We will thoroughly review the analysis and recommendations contained in this report and use them to help set our agenda for future program research," USDA said in a statement.

During and following the 2007-2009 recession, demand for food stamps soared, with middle-class families who found themselves suddenly homeless and jobless pushing enrollment to a record 47.7 million people by September 2012. Even during the recovery, demand has remained high and food pantries and soup kitchens continue to feel the strain.

But the program rankles many, especially some Republicans, who see it as a bloated government handout. Fraud concerns are also an ongoing issue.

16-MONTH LAG

In its report, the panel said the USDA is slow to react to rising food costs. There is a 16-month lag between when the government assesses the cost of food and when it adjusts benefit amounts to accommodate fluctuations, it said.

"Because of the impact of inflation and other factors on food prices, this lag in the benefit adjustment can significantly reduce the purchasing power of SNAP allotments," the report said.

Panelists said the dearth of affordable supermarkets in many cities means that urban dwellers, who represent a high proportion of those in poverty, must pay more for healthy foods.

They also questioned basic assumptions built into the program about how Americans prepare daily meals, especially for single parents. Food stamps are intended for buying cheap basic ingredients and unprocessed foods.

"By failing to account for the fact that SNAP participants, like other households, need to purchase value-added foods that save preparation time, the current value of the SNAP allotment substantially limits the flexibility and purchasing power of SNAP benefits," the report said.

Food stamp funding could be cut in coming years.

The U.S. Congress has passed a one-year extension of the so-called Farm Bill that allocates money for food assistance, along with agricultural programs.

Republicans' desire to reduce benefits has become a major obstacle to passing a wider, more comprehensive Farm Bill that would cost $500 billion. [ID:nL2N0AK0H8] They are seeking $16 billion of cuts in the program over 10 years - the deepest cuts in a generation.

The report also questioned formulas used to determine how much each family receives. USDA assumes families will spend 30 percent of their incomes on food, when in fact most can afford to spend only 13 percent given rising costs for housing and healthcare, it said.

That means that as the families' incomes rise, the government reduces their benefits too sharply, the report found.

(Additional reporting by Charles Abbott; Editing by Mohammad Zargham and Jackie Frank)



I don't know what to say, we are trying to put more people on food stamps and raise the expenditure because of inflation. It's like the Government's version of stagflation.

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More folks on food stamps = more votes for the Dem party.

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Ok, anyone have an idea of what the maximum potential benefit would be for my family (2 adults, 1 4-YO, 1 1-YO)? Is this something that can be calculated easily?

I'd like to compare that to my own food budget.

Ok, nm - it's $668/mo (per 2012). I pay on average $150 / week. That's $600/4week month and $750/5 week month, or $650/month on average. Now, to be fair, we do eat a meal out periodically, and this does not include 10 lunches a week for my wife and I during work.

Still, that's a lot of money.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Ok, anyone have an idea of what the maximum potential benefit would be for my family (2 adults, 1 4-YO, 1 1-YO)? Is this something that can be calculated easily?

I'd like to compare that to my own food budget.

Ok, nm - it's $668/mo (per 2012). I pay on average $150 / week. That's $600/4week month and $750/5 week month, or $650/month on average. Now, to be fair, we do eat a meal out periodically, and this does not include 10 lunches a week for my wife and I during work.

Still, that's a lot of money.


Plus, you can buy them at $0.40 or $0.50 on the dollar from local neighborhood drug addicts who want cash in exchange so that they can use it for drugs or alcohol instead. Good deal.

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I know exactly how they came to this conclusion. Poor areas often don't HAVE grocery stores. If you live there and don't have a car, it's actually pretty hard to meet any kind of nutrition standards because there's no place nearby that sells food that isn't ****. Have you ever been in some poor areas? It's liquor store, fast food joint, convenience store, paycheck advance place, Wal-Mart, repeat.


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Which has what to do with the amount of money available for food stamps?

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Also, Wal-Mart generally has enough of the basics that you can eat just fine, and most poor areas do have some small local grocer. Maybe those small businesses are what you mean by "****". They just don't have supermarkets.

Oh, maybe you mean rural poor people? If it's a more rural area, they're even more likely to have a reasonably close small grocer, and a vehicle because you just have to have one. They might even have a horse to ride, in some areas. But then, those people are white, and no doubt ignorant racist Jesus-loving, gun-loving rednecks, so they probably don't count, either in your thought process, or in this study.

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I know exactly how they came to this conclusion. Poor areas often don't HAVE grocery stores. If you live there and don't have a car, it's actually pretty hard to meet any kind of nutrition standards because there's no place nearby that sells food that isn't ****. Have you ever been in some poor areas? It's liquor store, fast food joint, convenience store, paycheck advance place, Wal-Mart, repeat.


Yeah, that's what you've been told, and it would be wrong.

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It has become an article of faith among some policy makers and advocates, including Michelle Obama, that poor urban neighborhoods are food deserts, bereft of fresh fruits and vegetables.
But two new studies have found something unexpected. Such neighborhoods not only have more fast food restaurants and convenience stores than more affluent ones, but more grocery stores, supermarkets and full-service restaurants, too. And there is no relationship between the type of food being sold in a neighborhood and obesity among its children and adolescents.

Within a couple of miles of almost any urban neighborhood, “you can get basically any type of food,” said Roland Sturm of the RAND Corporation, lead author of one of the studies. “Maybe we should call it a food swamp rather than a desert,” he said.


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She used census tracts to define neighborhoods because they tend to have economically homogeneous populations. Poor neighborhoods, Dr. Lee found, had nearly twice as many fast food restaurants and convenience stores as wealthier ones, and they had more than three times as many corner stores per square mile. But they also had nearly twice as many supermarkets and large-scale grocers per square mile. Her study, financed by the institute, was published in the March issue of Social Science and Medicine.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/healt ... udies.html


The whole "food desert" thing is just another way to remove personal responsibility and place the blame at the feet of some societal devil. Gotta keep their voters on the plantation, by convincing them they'll be protected there...

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Our wonderful politicians first need to focus on improving the system to reduce the incredible amount of fraud and abuse, and the ease with which said abuse can be accomplished, before just throwing more money into it.


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I bet if you bean a cat with some change enough times, it'll go away. Or scratch your leg to shreds.

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I bet if you bean a cat with some change enough times, it'll go away. Or scratch your leg to shreds.

If only there was a way to find out for sure! Oh well, chalk another one up to "life's great mysteries!"

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I thought you had a cat. Do you not have any change?

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Slythe wrote:
Our wonderful politicians first need to focus on improving the system to reduce the incredible amount of fraud and abuse, and the ease with which said abuse can be accomplished, before just throwing more money into it.


But you can't cut spending because we haven't found any abuse but we haven't looked because we haven't seen any abuse.....

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shuyung wrote:
I thought you had a cat. Do you not have any change?

2x pups. No kitties.

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Ah. Well, I've got a cat. Hang on, I'll just be a minute.

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Just as you predicted?

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shuyung wrote:
I bet if you bean a cat with some change enough times, it'll go away. Or scratch your leg to shreds.

I'd posit that there's a third option, if the cat's got a mellow disposition and is comfortable enough.

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