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I see what you did there.

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Uh.. so? That's simply tautology.


Apparently my attempts to inject some humor weren't successful...

As a side note, am I the only one who finds the excessive use of $25 words on these forums annoying? (not really a dig specifically on you DE, just an observation/opinion)


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I imagine the rest of us find your disdain for linguistic precision appalling, Aizle. After all, you quite frequently accuse me of using "$25 words" when you think I feel "embattled." Curious thing, that. I don't think you like having to look up words in the dictionary.

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Let's face it Khross, sometimes you (and to some extent me, and several others) have been known to throw vocabulary at a problem in hopes of intimidating the other party. Your word choices are not simply about precision, but specifically chosen for their impact. Like any good writer, we try to convey emotion with our word choices. It is unfortunate that the emotion some try to convey is haughty arrogance.


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I imagine the rest of us find your disdain for linguistic precision appalling, Aizle. After all, you quite frequently accuse me of using "$25 words" when you think I feel "embattled." Curious thing, that. I don't think you like having to look up words in the dictionary.


Eh, it's 30 sec to hit google.

I have no problems with linguistic precision. The reason I asked was to check my gut. Because my gut tells me that they are being pulled out not for precision, but to try and appear superior. And since we're focusing on precision, I'd like to point out that I accused you of that precisely once.


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As a side note, am I the only one who finds the excessive use of $25 words on these forums annoying? (not really a dig specifically on you DE, just an observation/opinion)

I find people with poor vocabularies complaining about people using big words more annoying than that. ;)


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I imagine the rest of us find your disdain for linguistic precision appalling, Aizle. After all, you quite frequently accuse me of using "$25 words" when you think I feel "embattled." Curious thing, that. I don't think you like having to look up words in the dictionary.


It's one of your basic tactics, Khross. When someone has you on the ropes, you generally resort to attempts at bedazzlement with big words. You are perfectly capable of being just as precise using more common language.

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I imagine the rest of us find your disdain for linguistic precision appalling, Aizle. After all, you quite frequently accuse me of using "$25 words" when you think I feel "embattled." Curious thing, that. I don't think you like having to look up words in the dictionary.


It's one of your basic tactics, Khross. When someone has you on the ropes, you generally resort to attempts at bedazzlement with big words. You are perfectly capable of being just as precise using more common language.

Maybe you should spend more time familiarize yourself with the unfamiliar words to understand what he says instead of simply being bedazzled by them.

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Or, he could talk to us without his nose in the air, which is how it comes off. When I try to explain fencing to people, I don't use period terms that they aren't likely to understand without actually defining them first. It's polite.

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Or, he could talk to us without his nose in the air, which is how it comes off. When I try to explain fencing to people, I don't use period terms that they aren't likely to understand without actually defining them first. It's polite.

This isn't a conversation in person. It's a message board. You have the internet at your disposal. With enough time, you could, you know, use some of those same words yourself right back at him. He linked an article once that took me about 2 hours to read because of how many words were in it that I didn't understand. Instead of blowing it off and calling the author a hack, I took the time to learn and understand it.

And lets not make any pretense around here that we're polite to each other.

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Well, we *could* be polite to each other, if we wanted. The truth is, folks here don't *want* to be polite to one another.

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Or, he could talk to us without his nose in the air, which is how it comes off. When I try to explain fencing to people, I don't use period terms that they aren't likely to understand without actually defining them first. It's polite.


Why don't you just answer his argument with something substantive instead of complaining about his posting style? This is just distraction; Khross can respond however he wants within the forum rules. Complaining that he's somehow being impolite by using big words is essentially admitting you're not able to respond to what he's saying.

Like Screeling said, if you don't understand, look them up. You'll come across as much smarter in the long run.

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Montegue:

When I took time to explain complex terms from my field of expertise, you took offense and screamed, "Don't ever think you can educate me." When I took the effort to provide you possible sources for engaging those conversations, you took offense and umbrage. Now, you simply accuse me of looking down my nose at you. This pattern has revealed your basic tactic: insult anyone who disagrees with you.

Smaller words do not result in imprecise language; nor, for that matter, do they circumvent the obvious catch-22 you've created around field specific knowledge and idiom. If we choose to explain those phrases, thus devoting smaller words to improving precision, you call use disdainful and accuse of trying to "teach you." If we use those words without the requisite explanation, you call us snobs.

Or, more simply, you're just poisoning the well, once again.

Aizle:

You are correct. You made the statement once. It seems to have slipped my mind that someone else picked up your insult and ran with it.

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I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

That means "No!"

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One-half of effective communication is understanding your audience. If you cannot convey your thoughts in such a way that your target audience understands, then you fail.


Just to be clear, the response "Then I fail at communicating with retards!" will be considered flaming. :)

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One-half of effective communication is understanding your audience. If you cannot convey your thoughts in such a way that your target audience understands, then you fail.
Just to be clear, the response "Then I fail at communicating with retards!" will be considered flaming. :)
Just for clarifications sake, does this mean I'm not allowed to humbly apologize for my communicative deficiencies when it comes to demonstrating appropriate syntactic clarity while addressing second order primates?

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One-half of effective communication is understanding your audience. If you cannot convey your thoughts in such a way that your target audience understands, then you fail.
Just to be clear, the response "Then I fail at communicating with retards!" will be considered flaming. :)
Just for clarifications sake, does this mean I'm not allowed to humbly apologize for my communicative deficiencies when it comes to demonstrating appropriate syntactic clarity while addressing second order primates?


You know I'm right. Requiring someone else to do research in order to understand your point is shifting responsibility for effective communication to them, when it is your thought that is in question. If it's your thought being conveyed, it's your responsibility to communicate effectively.

Suggesting someone must head to a dictionary to understand you is akin to me telling you that its your responsibility to decipher my poor grammar or worser speeling.


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Just for clarifications sake, does this mean I'm not allowed to humbly apologize for my communicative deficiencies when it comes to demonstrating appropriate syntactic clarity while addressing second order primates?


You know I'm right. Requiring someone else to do research in order to understand your point is shifting responsibility for effective communication to them, when it is your thought that is in question. If it's your thought being conveyed, it's your responsibility to communicate effectively.

Suggesting someone must head to a dictionary to understand you is akin to me telling you that its your responsibility to decipher my poor grammar or worser speeling.


While that's true, Khross is also correct in pointing out that when he HAS adjusted his communications to his audience, he's been accused of talking down to people.

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Suggesting someone must head to a dictionary to understand you is akin to me telling you that its your responsibility to decipher my poor grammar or worser speeling.

Poor grammar and incorrect spelling are actually errors whereas using "$25 words" is not.

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As a general rule, this is true. However, the claim from the denizens of this forum is that they are intelligent and informed individuals. You cannot fault someone for communicating as they would with intelligent and informed individuals. If the target audience does not, in fact, possess the capacity for comprehension, perhaps they should not argue otherwise. The first step of recovery is to admit you have a problem.

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Arathain:

In general, I agree with that statement. However, you can see the post I made in this thread. I'm fairly certain it addresses the situation adequately. But, since we're on the subject, most of the posters here are hostile to me establishing a baseline of familiarity with the subjects on which publish my material. In fact, most of you refuse to answer the baseline questions; rather, you simply say spit it out and stop treating us like we're stupid.

So, there's a nifty catch-22 at work. I can either explain what I'm thinking or type what I'm thinking; and in both cases, you guys hold it against me.

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One-half of effective communication is understanding your audience. If you cannot convey your thoughts in such a way that your target audience understands, then you fail.
Just to be clear, the response "Then I fail at communicating with retards!" will be considered flaming. :)
Just for clarifications sake, does this mean I'm not allowed to humbly apologize for my communicative deficiencies when it comes to demonstrating appropriate syntactic clarity while addressing second order primates?



I'm disinclined to allow that, either.

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Just for clarifications sake, does this mean I'm not allowed to humbly apologize for my communicative deficiencies when it comes to demonstrating appropriate syntactic clarity while addressing second order primates?



I'm disinclined to allow that, either.


She's disinclined to acquiesce to your request. 8-)

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