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I'll be completely honest. I saw this pop up in a couple spots and assumed it was an Onion parody or something.

http://jezebel.com/5993590/georgia-teen ... chrissakes

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Georgia Teens Fight for Racially Integrated Prom Because It’s 2013, for Chrissakes

Black and white students at Wilcox County High School in south Georgia aren't allowed to go to the same prom. Instead, students and parents sponsor segregated proms — yep, in 2013 — and kids that break the skin-dress code are barred entry from the caucasian rager. A mixed-race group of friends who hang out all of the time but can't wear corsages and dance to Top 40 together are trying to encourage their peers to participate in a radical social experiment called NOT BEING RACIST.
"We're embarrassed, it's embarrassing, yeah it's kind of embarrassing," Stephanie Sinnot, Mareshia Rucker, Quanesha Wallace, and Keela Bloodworth told WSFA. "We are all friends, that's just kind of not right that we can't go to prom together."

Uh, they're embarrassed? Wilcox County High School officials are the ones who should be beyond embarrassed, since, last we checked, Brown v. Board of Education declared segregation unconstitutional in 1954. But since the proms aren't financed by or hosted at the school (they're sponsored by the students and parents), the administration says there's nothing it can do. Officials have offered a resolution to permit an integrated prom — big of them, right? — but won't stop segregated proms or even take a stance on the issue.

A biracial student was actually turned away by police at the white prom last year. And when the school decided to elect only one pair for homecoming queen and king for the first time this school year — mmhmm, homecoming is segregated, too — and one of the integrated prom-organizing students won, she still wasn't allowed to attend the white homecoming. The king and queen took separate pictures for the school yearbook.


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Here's a novel thought ... a liberal is outraged at people exercising free association. I have, incidentally, never said racism didn't exist; I said the vast majority of Southerner's got past the bullshit ages ago. I've also repeatedly said that people from far more ethnically and demographically homogeneous regions should come here before spewing stereotypes and bullshit in my face. Does **** like this happen down here? Yup. It happens in other places, too. Of course, we all know about the KKK, but can any of you name the White Supremacist Group in Michigan that killed Malcolm Little's father? Probably not. It's ok, though, because what's really offensive is the pretense that you're somehow more enlightened than the rest of us because free association outrages you.

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Wow, almost 30 minutes for free association to come up. You're getting slow in your old age Khross.


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Wow, almost 30 minutes for free association to come up. You're getting slow in your old age Khross.
The larger point of discussion here isn't your original post, Aizle; rather, it's your astounding inability to accept that free, law-abiding adults in the United States are (amazingly) free to do **** you dislike. Your straw-man thread topic not-withstanding, did you consider the fact that your source makes no mention of what happens when individuals try to cross the color-line at the opposing dance? Probably not. White kids having a white dance for white kids is racist. That's as far as you got.

People do lots of things that baffle me; they do plenty of things that just don't make good sense. Nothing on this planet, however, baffles me more than the American liberal's insistence that we control the right of free association. Stupid people have stupid dances based on stupid perpetuation of bad social structure? That's really not my problem, because I can't tell stupid people not to hang out with stupid people.

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Just because it falls under free association doesn't make it not racist.


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So, in other words its equal opportunity racism on both sides.

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Just because it's racist doesn't mean it's not a valid exercise of free association. The American Liberal has somehow forgot that freedom has little to do with beer.

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Black, yellow, or white, any event that specifically includes one but excludes another is, in effect, racist. I apply this equally from the KKK to the NAACP to high school proms.

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Just because it's racist doesn't mean it's not a valid exercise of free association. The American Liberal has somehow forgot that freedom has little to do with beer.


I don't disagree, but Aizle's original point was that racism still exists, and here you are confirming that. Except you're moving goalposts and pointing out his bias instead of just saying, "Yep."


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Lenas:

That's because the goalposts were in the wrong spot. Everyone knows racism exists; that's not the problem anymore. The problem is the heavy handed, message controlled dialogue on the issue; which is to say, a one-sided conversation with the force of law behind it doing net-negative things for everyone.

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Khross, if you weren't racist, we wouldn't have to invoke the law to force you to date black women.

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Khross wrote:
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Wow, almost 30 minutes for free association to come up. You're getting slow in your old age Khross.
The larger point of discussion here isn't your original post, Aizle; rather, it's your astounding inability to accept that free, law-abiding adults in the United States are (amazingly) free to do **** you dislike. Your straw-man thread topic not-withstanding, did you consider the fact that your source makes no mention of what happens when individuals try to cross the color-line at the opposing dance? Probably not. White kids having a white dance for white kids is racist. That's as far as you got.

People do lots of things that baffle me; they do plenty of things that just don't make good sense. Nothing on this planet, however, baffles me more than the American liberal's insistence that we control the right of free association. Stupid people have stupid dances based on stupid perpetuation of bad social structure? That's really not my problem, because I can't tell stupid people not to hang out with stupid people.


Actually the larger point of discussion here is my original post. It's refuting what many here have claimed which is that racism is a thing of the past. It most obviously is not.

Contrary to your claim, I not only accept that people are free to do **** I don't like, but I DEFEND their right to do so. Based on my read of the article I don't actually see anything illegal happening. It's just depressing and stupid. But just as these morons are free to do what they like, I'm just as free (and accurate) to call them racists for doing so.

And if you'd have read the article a little closer before getting your dander up, you'd have noticed this:

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A biracial student was actually turned away by police at the white prom last year. And when the school decided to elect only one pair for homecoming queen and king for the first time this school year — mmhmm, homecoming is segregated, too — and one of the integrated prom-organizing students won, she still wasn't allowed to attend the white homecoming.


So again, counter to your claim, the article actually does detail some of what happens when someone tries to cross the line.

While I'm sure there are some liberals out there that say we should force these groups to stop. I'm not one of them. However, I am one who thinks we should do everything we can to discourage this behavior, within the context of understanding they completely have the right to do so.


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The point, Aizle, is that it's not institutionalized racism. In fact, it's privatized for the very specific purpose of avoiding the institutional ban on this kind of segregation.

So you can't rant at "the system" -- that's not what's broken. What's "broken" are there are still people who don't act the way you want them to. People of both colors.

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Aizle:

I did read your article. I see plenty of mention of white kids and white parents being racists; plenty of mention of non-whites being oppressed and segregated; and no parity in the reporting or investigation. So, let me know when your article addresses the topic going the other way, too.

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Aizle wrote:
While I'm sure there are some liberals out there that say we should force these groups to stop. I'm not one of them. However, I am one who thinks we should do everything we can to discourage this behavior, within the context of understanding they completely have the right to do so.
Discourage, how? "Everything we can" is vague and includes the force of law; which is where I have a problem with your politics and position.

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Khross wrote:
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While I'm sure there are some liberals out there that say we should force these groups to stop. I'm not one of them. However, I am one who thinks we should do everything we can to discourage this behavior, within the context of understanding they completely have the right to do so.
Discourage, how? "Everything we can" is vague and includes the force of law; which is where I have a problem with your politics and position.


So when it comes to equal access to core services and rights of being a US citizen, then yes the law should be involved. When it comes to things like the attached article, it's more education and public ridicule.


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The point, Aizle, is that it's not institutionalized racism. In fact, it's privatized for the very specific purpose of avoiding the institutional ban on this kind of segregation.

So you can't rant at "the system" -- that's not what's broken. What's "broken" are there are still people who don't act the way you want them to. People of both colors.


And your point? I wasn't ranting at anything other than refuting folks claims here that racism is dead. Nor was I offering any suggestions on a course of action prior to my last post to Khross.


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Since we're ostensibly discussing a dance, which is presumably for the purpose of romantic coupling, there's an interesting statistic I would like to call attention to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_Marriage_for_White_People%3F

Black women are the least likely to date outside their ethnicity. Since we're looking to do "all we can" to promote ethnic diversity and oppose racism, does "all we can" include forcing black women to date and/or marry white and asian men?

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Khross wrote:
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I did read your article. I see plenty of mention of white kids and white parents being racists; plenty of mention of non-whites being oppressed and segregated; and no parity in the reporting or investigation. So, let me know when your article addresses the topic going the other way, too.


Yeah. I'm sure the black proms were created first to keep all those white kids out, not as a tit for tat reaction...


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Aizle wrote:
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The point, Aizle, is that it's not institutionalized racism. In fact, it's privatized for the very specific purpose of avoiding the institutional ban on this kind of segregation.

So you can't rant at "the system" -- that's not what's broken. What's "broken" are there are still people who don't act the way you want them to. People of both colors.


I wasn't ranting at anything other than refuting folks claims here that racism is dead. .



I don't think anyone has ever said that racism is dead. It most certainly is alive in well in all walks of life. It isn't the huge problem that you, TheRiov, RD and other race hustling libs make it out to be though. For every "white only" organization or party or whatever, I'm sure you can find just as many "name your color that isn't white" thing as well. When you guys start realizing that, we might be able to get someone where on the race issue. It ain't the right that has a problem with race, it's the left.

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Corolinth wrote:
Since we're ostensibly discussing a dance, which is presumably for the purpose of romantic coupling, there's an interesting statistic I would like to call attention to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_Marriage_for_White_People%3F

Black women are the least likely to date outside their ethnicity. Since we're looking to do "all we can" to promote ethnic diversity and oppose racism, does "all we can" include forcing black women to date and/or marry white and asian men?


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Khross: I hate to say it, but you're making a strawman argument. You're attempting to set up Aizles post as some kind of suggestion that we shouldn't allow this type of behavior.

He finds it despicable.
You find it despicable.

Nowhere do I see anyone suggesting, however, that we need to legislate it and control behavior the way you are suggesting. Aizle's post is to show that idea racism is still unacceptably common in places.

Such activity would not be tolerated here. I'm not talking about the law getting involved, I'm talking about by the people around them. Racism exists everywhere, but it's not as prevalent everywhere. For racism to exist here, it needs to be underground. The stigma of being known to be a racist is such that you'd be a complete pariah for even suggesting a segregated prom. The fact that people accept and enforce it in large enough numbers to make it policy, even at one school in one small town in ****, Georgia, here in 2013, is actually rather shocking.

Free association? Sure. But free expresssion - where's the outrage from the people around them? Where's the social stigmatism of promoting racism? Why is it socially acceptable to be a racist in some parts of America? (And I'm including racism by black people against whites, there. All racism is the same.)

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Aizle wrote:
It's refuting what many here have claimed which is that racism is a thing of the past.


Woah, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. If "many here" have claimed this, I assume you can provide an example or two?


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It's refuting what many here have claimed which is that racism is a thing of the past.


Woah, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. If "many here" have claimed this, I assume you can provide an example or two?


A few people got their knickers in a knot in a very recent thread over the suggestion that racism was still more prevalent south of the mason-dixon line than it was in the north.

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Aizle wrote:
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I did read your article. I see plenty of mention of white kids and white parents being racists; plenty of mention of non-whites being oppressed and segregated; and no parity in the reporting or investigation. So, let me know when your article addresses the topic going the other way, too.


Yeah. I'm sure the black proms were created first to keep all those white kids out, not as a tit for tat reaction...


So racism is an acceptable way to fight racism?


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Aizle wrote:
It's refuting what many here have claimed which is that racism is a thing of the past.


Woah, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. If "many here" have claimed this, I assume you can provide an example or two?


A few people got their knickers in a knot in a very recent thread over the suggestion that racism was still more prevalent south of the mason-dixon line than it was in the north.


Comparisons of prevalence doesn't equate to claims of non-existence.


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