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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:53 pm 
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How many victim cards are in a single pack? 'Cause they're flying fast and thick in here.


Well, the starter set comes with 50, but you can purchase any number of booster packs.

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How many victim cards are in a single pack? 'Cause they're flying fast and thick in here.
You should be just as appalled at Mr. Kristof as I am.

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Doesn't matter how much he's written for NYT. He is a person, he is allowed to have his own personal opinions, and he's free to share them on his personal accounts.


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Because the guy holds an opinion with which I don't agree and expressed it dickishly (something for which he later apologized)?

Show me something in the New York Times that shows the opinion being presented as a news article. That's editorial misconduct. Simply being a journalist and holding an opinion is not editorial misconduct.


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Because the guy holds an opinion with which I don't agree and expressed it dickishly (something for which he later apologized)?

Show me something in the New York Times that shows the opinion being presented as a news article. That's editorial misconduct. Simply being a journalist and holding an opinion is not editorial misconduct.


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FarSky wrote:
Because the guy holds an opinion with which I don't agree and expressed it dickishly (something for which he later apologized)?

Show me something in the New York Times that shows the opinion being presented as a news article. That's editorial misconduct. Simply being a journalist and holding an opinion is not editorial misconduct.
He just published it, and I think that's the distinction you're missing here. Saying something dickish to his friends that someone happened to record? Not a problem. Publishing that comment via twitter, particularly given his position at the New York Times -- Editorial Misconduct.

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Doesn't matter how much he's written for NYT. He is a person, he is allowed to have his own personal opinions, and he's free to share them on his personal accounts.
That's actually probably not the case; I'd lose my job for tweeting that comment on my personal account.

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Because the guy holds an opinion with which I don't agree and expressed it dickishly (something for which he later apologized)?

Show me something in the New York Times that shows the opinion being presented as a news article. That's editorial misconduct. Simply being a journalist and holding an opinion is not editorial misconduct.
He just published it, and I think that's the distinction you're missing here. Saying something dickish to his friends that someone happened to record? Not a problem. Publishing that comment via twitter, particularly given his position at the New York Times -- Editorial Misconduct.

No, what it boils down to is you want to punish a guy for holding an opinion with which you disagree, and you're trying to invent an excuse to make that action less horrifying.

You've railed against this very thing yourself. Thought criminalization. Financial punishment for expressing an opinion.


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I'm actually upset with you over this one Khross. The stance you're taking is **** up and just because your school would penalize you for the same action doesn't make it right.


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So that's two people who don't understand Twitter.

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FarSky wrote:
No, what it boils down to is you want to punish a guy for holding an opinion with which disagree, and you're trying to invent an excuse to make that action less horrifying.

You've railed against this very thing yourself. Thought criminalization. Financial punishment for expressing an opinion.
Actually, it's not the thought that bothers me. As I said, I'd have no problem if it was something surreptitiously recorded by a paparazzi like third-party and posted for the world to see. That he holds the opinion does not bother me; that he tweeted the opinion does. He actually published it, in my opinion; we can debate that if you want, but the tweet is the problem from where I'm sitting.

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Again, I don't care that he had that opinion or even that he stated it to someone; I care about the vehicle he used to deliver the opinion.

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The vehicle is irrelevant. Punishing someone for giving a personal opinion from a personal account should be criminal. He was not speaking on behalf of the New York Times.


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My heart and thoughts with you guys, hope everyone here is okay and all your families are safe.

Lenas, as for twitter and other social media, most large companies and government/public institutions have a SOP around the use of mass media. Most company specifically states any thing you write on mass media e.g. facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc should be socially responsible and may be scrutinised by the company.

Unfortunately due to massive foot in mouth disease people seem to catch when they are logged into mass medial, this is the new opt out clause for companies...


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Lenas wrote:
The vehicle is irrelevant. Punishing someone for giving a personal opinion from a personal account should be criminal. He was not speaking on behalf of the New York Times.


According to what? I guarantee that most Fortune 500 companies would consider it to be close enough to be a terminatable offense. I know mine would.

The perception, regardless of whether it's your "personal" account or not, is that you are a representative of your employer. Doesn't matter if you like this or not, that's the effect of the modern, instant communication, interconnected world. It's also verifiable policy.

That said, I wouldn't particularly throw the guy under the bus, due to his apology. The fact that he thought it in the first place is pretty stupendous, though.




All I can say as to the bombings themselves is: what the **** is wrong with people!?

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I guarantee that most Fortune 500 companies would consider it to be close enough to be a terminatable offense. I know mine would.


A stupid position for any company to hold.


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I should point out that the reason the position is held is solely because of people like the ones in this thread who are crucifying this guy. If people weren't so prone to overreaction, or weren't so offended by other people and other opinions existing in the world, we wouldn't have this issue.


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I've already seen armchair pundits blame the usual people. Tea party, NRA, the sequester, tax activists, OWS, the poop is flying in all directions in some macabre game of "guess the culprit".

I'm going to go a 20:1 longshot on Iran being blamed.

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Because the guy holds an opinion with which I don't agree and expressed it dickishly (something for which he later apologized)?

Show me something in the New York Times that shows the opinion being presented as a news article. That's editorial misconduct. Simply being a journalist and holding an opinion is not editorial misconduct.


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Unfortunately, all three of you are wrong and consequently straw-manning my position. The opinion is not the problem; choosing to publish that opinion is, particularly for his employers and particularly for evidence in this very thread: Nitefox linked him to the New York Times almost instantly. His behavior was woefully unprofessional, unbecoming, and does constitute misconduct, since his Twitter following and the force of his tweets rely on the weight the New York Times adds to his reputation. Nicholas Kristof created unnecessary liability exposure for his employers; most employers terminate their employees for anything that negatively impacts risk management.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/e ... index.html

That's Kristof's bio page, which has a link to this Twitter account on it (and it's first among all social media). As such, since he's banking on his professional associations translating into Twitter followers and exposure for his writing, he definitely misbehaved by tweeting that comment.

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a "person of interest" with severe burns is being guarded at a local hospital.

Some sources are saying it's a 20yo Saudi national.


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I'm going with Khross on this one.

If youre a journalist, you need to be mindful of what you do on social media unless you have a very distinct seperate account. It would be really easy for him to have a friends only account and to make dickish comments on that. Unfortunatly I feel this is another example of "there is no such thing as bad press". It's easier to him to ask forgiveness after soaking up the attention than it is for him to get attention doing his reporting the ethical way.

And for that, he should be let go. Or, and this is the most likely outcome, the NYT will say they disciplined him, he will give a ###ty apology, and they will continue as they have always continued.

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That was the sorriest display of "leadership" I have ever seen. Clint Eastwood's wooden chair would've been more emotional and comforting.

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Two more found/being dismantled

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They blew up an 8 year old. A **** 8 year old kid.

Homeland Security says it was coordinated and they found two more unexploded bombs.

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