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 Post subject: What Twitter is.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:18 am 
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Twitter is a public broadcast medium. There are no personal opinions on Twitter. Everything published is backed by the full weight of the sender's professional reputation. The fact that the vast majority of humanity doesn't possess professional reputations that anyone gives two shits about does not make Twitter a personal medium. Reputations do not exist in a vacuum. They are caught in a web of affiliations, influence, trust, authority, and accountability.

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This goes for most social media to the extent that 95% of the population are incredibly careless with their privacy settings.

But, yes, Twitter especially.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:59 am 
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Microsoft Creative Director Adam Orth Reminds Us All of the Perils of Twitter

It happens so quickly — one moment you’re publicly defending the controversial features of an unannounced project from the major technology company you work for, the next moment you’re resigning from your job at that same company. At least, that’s what happened to Microsoft Creative Director Adam Orth.

Multiple reports have confirmed that Orth, who recently incited a flame war by saying that anyone upset over the idea of an “always online” console should just “deal with it,” and insulted rural America to boot, is no longer an employee at Microsoft.

How did this happen? It’s a classic case of the social media illusion of security. Orth was really just having a conversation with his friend, Bioware’s Manveer Heir, and they both forgot for a moment that they were high-ranking employees at heavily scrutinized companies. Like the random person who complains about their boss on Facebook while forgetting that they are actually friends with that boss, Orth just forgot that people might be listening.

In his case, it was about as bad as it could be — not only was he inciting rage by appearing insensitive about a topic that could be vital to the success of the Xbox, he was tacitly admitting both the existence of the next Xbox and the idea that it will be “always connected — ” two things Microsoft has yet to do.

Adam Orth isn’t a middle school student, which would probably excuse his behavior on Twitter. But he makes it clear that we could all still use a lesson in social media. If it’s on Twitter, people are going to see it. If you’re worried that people might see it, people are going to see it. Every once in a while, people seem to need to be reminded of this.

As for the next Xbox, Microsoft can’t announce it soon enough. Incidents like this make it clear that pre-announcement chatter can be quite dangerous for a company’s public image. Without any concrete details, people assume the worst, often quite loudly. Microsoft still might have some time to reconfigure potentially unpopular features, however, so maybe all the uproar could sway some choices.

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 Post subject: Re: What Twitter is.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:29 am 
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Does anything on the Internet where it is reasonably possible for a third party to figure out what your real full name is also count as a "public broadcast medium?"


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:31 am 
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Xequecal wrote:
Does anything on the Internet where it is reasonably possible for a third party to figure out what your real full name is also count as a "public broadcast medium?"

Yes. This is why we use pseudonyms.

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Welcome to why Khross never tells us where he works and what he does.

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Extrapolating just a little bit here... If we really didn't care what people said or did outside of their official, professional contexts, and we didn't lend any gravity to anything they said in those secondary contexts (in other words, outside of the primary affiliation they're best known for), then how much money would there be in celebrity endorsements?


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 Post subject: Re: What Twitter is.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:47 am 
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Does anything on the Internet where it is reasonably possible for a third party to figure out what your real full name is also count as a "public broadcast medium?"


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Yes, it's public, but the public's retarded. People should learn the difference between someone making a professional opinion and an off-the-cuff statement. And if they can't, they should ask.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, people need to take responsibility for their statements.

For example: Hurricane Sandy hits.

Arathain: Stupid global warming.
Public: You believe the storm was caused by global warming?
Arathain: Huh? Oh, no idea - not enough data.
Public: Oh.

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Arathain: Stupid global warming.
Retard: As an engineer, you should no better than to make such statements!!
Arathain: No, I agree, and apologize. There's not enough data.
Retard: This guy should be fired!!! Waaah.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Yes, it's public, but the public's retarded. People should learn the difference between someone making a professional opinion and an off-the-cuff statement. And if they can't, they should ask.
I'm gonna keep running with the endorsement thing a second. Look at Tiger Woods, before and after the whole "I can't keep it in my pants" fiasco. How many sponsors dropped him? He's a brand, and other brands - say Nike - either do or don't want to affiliate their brand with Tiger's.

Kristof is also a brand, and he's as associable with NYT as Woods is with PGA golf. He can't say anything, in any accessible medium, without it being viewed through the lens of "that dude who writes editorials for the Times". Fair or not, they're inseparable, and that's why people get canned for sullying their own brand and then their employers' by association.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Yes, it's public, but the public's retarded. People should learn the difference between someone making a professional opinion and an off-the-cuff statement. And if they can't, they should ask.
I'm gonna keep running with the endorsement thing a second. Look at Tiger Woods, before and after the whole "I can't keep it in my pants" fiasco. How many sponsors dropped him? He's a brand, and other brands - say Nike - either do or don't want to affiliate their brand with Tiger's.

Kristof is also a brand, and he's as associable with NYT as Woods is with PGA golf. He can't say anything, in any accessible medium, without it being viewed through the lens of "that dude who writes editorials for the Times". Fair or not, they're inseparable, and that's why people get canned for sullying their own brand and then their employers' by association.


Tiger Woods lost his endorsement deals because the public is retarded. His infidelity has nothing to do with his ability to play golf. That said, freedom of association dictates what athlete gets supported, what sponsors see revenue increases, and what sponsors decide to do about such events.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Tiger Woods lost his endorsement deals because the public is retarded. His infidelity has nothing to do with his ability to play golf. That said, freedom of association dictates what athlete gets supported, what sponsors see revenue increases, and what sponsors decide to do about such events.
Oh absolutely the public is retarded. It doesn't matter whether or not it *should*, the plain fact is that the public does not disassociate. So it's left to the sponsors and the employers to maintain or sever associations. And so it follows that we want our figureheads nice and neutral and not potentially offensive to anyone, lest that freedom of association lead people to think "Oh Nike affiliates itself with womanizers", because, well... outrage! Indignation!


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Jeryn wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Yes, it's public, but the public's retarded. People should learn the difference between someone making a professional opinion and an off-the-cuff statement. And if they can't, they should ask.
I'm gonna keep running with the endorsement thing a second. Look at Tiger Woods, before and after the whole "I can't keep it in my pants" fiasco. How many sponsors dropped him? He's a brand, and other brands - say Nike - either do or don't want to affiliate their brand with Tiger's.

Kristof is also a brand, and he's as associable with NYT as Woods is with PGA golf. He can't say anything, in any accessible medium, without it being viewed through the lens of "that dude who writes editorials for the Times". Fair or not, they're inseparable, and that's why people get canned for sullying their own brand and then their employers' by association.


Tiger Woods lost his endorsement deals because the public is retarded.

Endorsement deals exist primarily due to this fact, though. I mean, unless you think that Tiger Woods is an amazing athlete because he puts his Nikes on in the morning.

It's not quite as simple as that, of course. More legitimately, Tiger can be considered to be a more experienced judge of footwear in athletic environments than I am since he is in such environments much more than I am, and with the budget to try out many alternatives; therefore, his recommendations may carry some weight with me.

However, this same logic can be applied to "off the cuff" statements by journalists, even editorialists. If somebody whose job it is to know contacts, be well-appraised of current events, and follow issues and policies closely in order to form educated and informed opinions says "Man, shame on you Republicans for blocking a nomination" -- as a layperson, am I left to wonder "what does he know about the situation that I don't?"

No, of course not, that's completely unreasonable. I know just as much as this guy about politics, and should thus be able to clearly see that he's just blowing off steam and taking a low shot at his ideological opponents.

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 Post subject: Re: What Twitter is.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:19 pm 
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Twitter is a real-time information network that connects you to the latest stories, ideas, opinions and news about what you find interesting.


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Sure. And so is the NYT, Lenas. They still care a lot about what their employees publish on that information network, don't they?

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Just poking a hole in the "there are no personal opinions on Twitter" statement because it's full of ****. Twitter is 99% personal opinions. Your equating it with NYT doesn't make sense, Twitter is an open source personal publishing platform and not a corporation aggregating employee's stories into a single publication. There's no editor in chief of Twitter and no one needs to approve what you say or who can say it.

The company was founded on individuals posting what they found interesting, be it news or opinions. Only after it became popular in that space did businesses try to force their way in.


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Be that as it may, there are still de facto rules governing what public figures do on a medium like Twitter that simply don't apply to 99% of everyone. It doesn't make it right, but that doesn't stop there being a truckload of pulled posts attesting to the fact that you can't just say what you want when you have a reputation to manage.


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Twitter's definition of Twitter is poor, to say the least. The average user thinks that's what Twitter is. Legally speaking, because Twitter cannot retain copyright privileges for its content, unless they are explicitly and deliberately signed away (EULA's don't cover this, as Blizzard laments); Twitter is a public facing publication medium as Shuyung states. It delivers material whose copyright is held by the twittering party.

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As we continue to expand our efforts in social media, here’s a reminder of the longstanding Times principles that apply to our journalists and other newsroom staff members. As you know, we’ve deliberately kept our guidance broad and simple.

First, we should always treat Twitter, Facebook and other social media platforms as public activities. Regardless of your privacy controls or the size of your follower list, anything you post online can easily be shared with a wider audience.

And second, you are a Times journalist, and your online behavior should be appropriate for a Times journalist. Readers will inevitably associate anything you post on social media with The Times.

Those two basic principles should be enough to guide us in most situations. Be thoughtful. Take care that nothing you say online will undercut your credibility as a journalist. Newsroom staff members should avoid editorializing or promoting political views. And we should be civil – even to critics – and avoid personal attacks and offensive remarks.

While the terrain may be new, these principles are not. Our Ethical Journalism policy says this about dealing with the public:

We treat our readers no less fairly in private than in public. Anyone who deals with readers is expected to honor that principle, knowing that ultimately the readers are our employers. Civility applies whether an exchange takes place in person, by telephone, by letter or online.

Or, as the policy suggests elsewhere: When in doubt, ask yourself if a given action might damage The Times’s reputation. If so, it’s probably a bad idea.

As with all of our ethics guidelines, these principles also apply to freelancers in connection with their work for The Times. Readers do not distinguish among bylines, and regular contributors in particular are closely associated with The Times. Editors have a responsibility to ensure that freelancers understand their obligation to protect The Times’s reputation.

Please feel free to consult me if you have any questions.

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Nitefox:

Apparently none of that matters and my annoyance at Mr. Kristof's unprofessional behavior is unwarranted and unreasonable according to people here at the Glade.

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Apparently none of that matters and my annoyance at Mr. Kristof's unprofessional behavior is unwarranted and unreasonable according to people here at the Glade.



I those folks need to take it up with Phil.

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It's worth noting that what Nitefox just quoted was published six months ago.

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Most of you don't have opinions anyone cares about, and this informs your view of Twitter. You are accustomed to caring about other people's opinions, not having people care about yours. You are incensed at the notion of someone being fired for a Twitter or Facebook comment because you've never had to assume responsibility for things you've said.

When I use Twitter, it's to read Neil deGrasse Tyson's tweets. I read these tweets because Neil deGrasse Tyson posted them. I'm not interested in what some guy from New York has to say. I'm interested in what Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say. I don't read other people's tweets, because they are not Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Neil deGrasse Tyson must be aware at all times that he is Neil deGrasse Tyson, and anything he says carries the full weight of Neil deGrasse Tyson saying it. That's what it means to be Neil deGrasse Tyson, and is also why the vast, overwhelming majority of humanity is not Neil deGrasse Tyson. It may not be fair, but that's the price he pays for being Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Apparently none of that matters and my annoyance at Mr. Kristof's unprofessional behavior is unwarranted and unreasonable according to people here at the Glade.


"People here at the Glade" ... seems a bit exaggerative. You're arguing against a slightly vocal minority. Our main issue is not one against the Times or any other company with social media policies; our main issue is with the general public not being able to separate a man's personal opinion from his organization. The problem that creates the need for these policies in the first place.


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Apparently none of that matters and my annoyance at Mr. Kristof's unprofessional behavior is unwarranted and unreasonable according to people here at the Glade.


"People here at the Glade" ... seems a bit exaggerative. You're arguing against a slightly vocal minority.

What? Are you denying the personhood of yourself and 2-3 others?

He said "people here at the Glade" not "People here at the Glade" and not "The People here at the Glade."

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