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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:59 pm 
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Tannerite wouldn't be a good choice for that as its vehicle for detonation is rather limited to a great deal of shock.

Best bet for a bomb like that would be something that could fit into a McDonald's bag and still have bag luck crumpled in the trash. Any number of compounds which could be rigged that small to produce that size of blast. Even judging the amount of people who would be there in any given area you could use something that just builds pressure in a container relatively slowly until the container is breached (not what this is though).

I'll guess and go with PETN.

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So what I've learned from this thread is that liberals have no concept of journalistic integrity or professional ethics.

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I was inclined to agree that it shouldn't matter what is posted on his personal twitter account but points brought up make me believe otherwise. Yes, he's entitled to express his opinion but he chose the wrong medium to do so. He has a right to free speech and expression but he also doesn't have a right to be an NYT contributing editor or journalist in general. I held a position where I was forbidden to use a number of FDA controlled substances because of the potential for mental impairment yet I've pretty much concluded that cannabis helps me sleep better than any of the combination of meds and treatments I was given and therefore actually enhanced my mental faculties. However, the job required I not use them and I therefore did not. It's pretty clear to me that he should be held accountable in a manner consistent with what Khross is describing.

As for the bombing, yes it's a heinous event. We are still a very blessed portion of this world's population. People will lose sight of that fact.

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Lenas wrote:
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I guarantee that most Fortune 500 companies would consider it to be close enough to be a terminatable offense. I know mine would.


A stupid position for any company to hold.


Agreed, but they do, because many individuals do actually believe comments reflect the org - cf, this thread & Khross


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Ulfynn wrote:
My brother, sister-in-law and some of her extended family are there (her sister was running in the marathon).

Thankfully, they have accounted for everyone they know.

My thoughts go out to the victims.


Very glad they're ok Ulf. My thoughts are with anyone from the glade with friends and family on Boston.

The USA tends to pull together in the face of adversity like this ; I expect you will again

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The Good Outnumber You And We Always Will

by Patton Oswalt, huffingtonpost.com
April 15th 2013 7:52 PM

Boston. **** horrible.

I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."

But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem -- one human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.

But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in a while, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.

But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evildoers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.

So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."

This originally appeared on Patton Oswalt's Facebook page.


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Great stuff from Patton there.


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It should be pointed out that Kristof is an Editorialist. His job is to offer opinion-- often these opinions are left leaning or right leaning. They are not generally accepted as the opinion of the paper itself and are not considered part of the journalism, but rather .. again... opinion.

But Kristof is advertised as an editorialist. He is not supposed to be reporting facts, but commenting on facts. This is Fox New's great sin--not that they have an opinion, but that they treat their opinions as facts, and often even skewing facts to support an opinion. (An accusation I'm pointedly not making of say, the National Review)

An editorialist for a major news paper, took a opinionated cheep shot at the RNC an inappropriate time. Yes. Bad. Bad. Bad. BUT... nothing he said was factually untrue. It would be journalistic misconduct if he made up facts, or lied about them.

He didn't even insinuate that it was the RNC's fault, though Nitefox obviously took it that way.

But it does not constitute misconduct, nor does it surprise me, any more than when a conservative editorialist offers their opinion in a major paper.... or on twitter.


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TheRiov wrote:
It should be pointed out that Kristof is an Editorialist. His job is to offer opinion-- often these opinions are left leaning or right leaning. They are not generally accepted as the opinion of the paper itself and are not considered part of the journalism, but rather .. again... opinion.

But Kristof is advertised as an editorialist. He is not supposed to be reporting facts, but commenting on facts. This is Fox New's great sin--not that they have an opinion, but that they treat their opinions as facts, and often even skewing facts to support an opinion. (An accusation I'm pointedly not making of say, the National Review)

An editorialist for a major news paper, took a opinionated cheep shot at the RNC an inappropriate time. Yes. Bad. Bad. Bad. BUT... nothing he said was factually untrue. It would be journalistic misconduct if he made up facts, or lied about them.

He didn't even insinuate that it was the RNC's fault, though Nitefox obviously took it that way.

But it does not constitute misconduct, nor does it surprise me, and more than when a conservative editorialist offers their opinion in a major paper.... or on twitter.


Ugh. I had a nice retort but I'm bored with this now. Spin it how you want.

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Thankfully, the 21 coworkers from our Boston sites who ran in the Marathon are safe and accounted for.

Now they're saying there were no unexploded bombs located.

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Regarding twitter, etc., what I want to know is why anyone gives a crap?

It's a huge story right now, people are people, and they talk. There's a lot of confusion and for the most part, people are acknowledging this. Who cares what people say that are speculating? There's no damage in it if people are even halfway intelligent.

Provided nobody straight up accuses specific people, who cares? People speculate. Always have, always will. There's no need to go looking for people saying stupid things.

And if someone does say something stupid, and apologizes for it, move on. Who gives a crap? Grow up.


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There's no damage in it if people are even halfway intelligent.

Giving someone who opposes your organization ammunition to assault your organization with does cause damage. Making an example of the guy that handed out that ammo is a good reminder.

"Those that live by the sword die by the sword", "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind", etc.

These folks are expected to take cheap shots. They're also expected to do so from behind heavy cover.

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Setting aside Twittards:

He/She/They used 6-liter pressure cookers in black duffels:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 6-12-13-07

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The explosives used in the deadly Boston Marathon bombing were contained in 6-liter pressure cookers and hidden in black duffel bags on the ground, a person briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

One of the explosives contained shards of metal and ball bearings, and another contained nails, the person said.

A second person briefed on the investigation confirmed that at least one of the explosives was made out of a pressure cooker. Both spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Two bombs blew up seconds apart Monday at the finish line of one of the world's most storied races, tearing off victims' limbs and leaving the streets spattered with blood and strewn with broken glass. Three people were killed, including an 8-year-old boy, and more than 170 were wounded.

President Barack Obama said called the explosions a terrorist attack and said law enforcement and intelligence officials were trying to determine who was responsible. No one has claimed responsibility for the bombings.

These types of pressure cooker explosives have been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, according to a July 2010 joint FBI and Homeland Security intelligence report. One of the three devices used in the May 2010 Times Square attempted bombing was a pressure cooker, the intelligence report said.

"Placed carefully, such devices provide little or no indication of an impending attack," the report said.

The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed responsibility for the 2010 attempt in Times Square, has denied any role in the Boston Marathon attack.

Law enforcement has not yet determined what was used to set off the explosives. Typically, these bombs have an initiator, switch and explosive charge, according to a 2004 warning from the Homeland Security Department about these types of explosives.

"We will go to the ends of the Earth to identify the subject or subjects who are responsible for this despicable crime, and we will do everything we can to bring them to justice," said Richard DesLauriers, FBI agent in charge in Boston.

Investigators in Boston are combing surveillance tapes and pictures from Monday

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I guess that answers this question:

http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/


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Yeah that was kinda unfortunate timing.


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I guarantee that most Fortune 500 companies would consider it to be close enough to be a terminatable offense. I know mine would.
A stupid position for any company to hold.
Agreed, but they do, because many individuals do actually believe comments reflect the org - cf, this thread & Khross
I'm sorry, but when did blatant lying about someone's position become allowable on this forum? I haven't blamed the New York Times once for Kristof's appallingly unprofessional behavior; what I have said, quite clearly, is that the Times should fire Kristof for his appallingly unprofessional behavior. I said Kristof exposed his employer to some amount of risk and liability for his comments, notably by being part of the Editors staff at the NYT, linking the Twitter first among all social media on his biographical page, and banking on the association of his professional reputation and that of the New York Times to increase his Twitter following. Not firing Kristof reflects poorly on the New York Times; tweeting the asinine comment reflects poorly on Kristof.

Those of you who think I'm out of line have gone out of your way to misrepresent my position, engage in ad hominem attacks, and in the case of Sui here, just blatantly misrepresented what I have said in a very Monte-esque fashion. The truth is, you just don't want a person you agree with held accountable for the stupidity of their actions.

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As I mentioned in the thread about what Twitter is, it's not that they don't want a person they agree with held accountable. Rather, they want to continue to pretend that anything they say or do on the internet can't be held against them professionally and personally. For the majority of humanity, nobody cares what they think or what they say. They have a hard time wrestling with the idea that someone might have to assume responsibility for their words in the first place.

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Alright, I'll agree to that, Coro. My apologies for the broad-brush guys (FarSky, Lenas, Sui).

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As I mentioned in the thread about what Twitter is, it's not that they don't want a person they agree with held accountable. Rather, they want to continue to pretend that anything they say or do on the internet can't be held against them professionally and personally. For the majority of humanity, nobody cares what they think or what they say. They have a hard time wrestling with the idea that someone might have to assume responsibility for their words in the first place.


I don't think that's the case. I don't really think anyone feels they shouldn't be responsible for their actions. Maybe I'm naive, but people should be able to distinguish, at least at a basic level, the basis for remarks, or at least be willing to ask for clarification and/or provide the benefit of the doubt. The propensity of the public at large to over react and/or pounce on every little damn thing and take it the worst way possible is wearisome. I take everything I see, hear, and read with a grain of salt. Everyone is biased, and everyone says stupid ****. So I'm willing to, when I hear some crazy, stop and say... "really?". In this case, the answer to "really?" was basically "no, I'm sorry". So I shrug and move on.

We cannot hope to survive as a country or a society if we crucify people for every little thing. Relax. When people speak before thinking, give them a chance to think and try again. Then crucify them.


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The problem is, there are powerful parties whose strategy for survival is to entrench in the culture a bitter rivalry that thrives on crucifying the opponents to garner fanfare and "win points" with the public.

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Khross wrote:
Those of you who think I'm out of line have gone out of your way to misrepresent my position, engage in ad hominem attacks, and in the case of Sui here, just blatantly misrepresented what I have said in a very Monte-esque fashion. The truth is, you just don't want a person you agree with held accountable for the stupidity of their actions.


Yee..eee...ssss

Or, you know. No.

I appreciate the clarification; I thought your problem was that he had represented an editorial position of the NYTimes,rather than a personal opinion, by virtue of holding an editorial position at the new york times, and posting an opinion while that was well known; thus it reflected on his employment and professionalism. Now I see it's that he reflected a personal opinion, while working for the NYTimes, on a feed associated with his employment.

Ok. I'm still not sure I agree, but what'evs.

Of course, I was going out my way to lie and misrepresent you like <insert villain here>, because that is, you know, what I do.

I'm glad we're all still keeping perspective here.

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Sui:

I apologized for the broad-brush, sir. I was more than peeved by the content bias happening on the NPR program "On Point" by the time I made said post. I do apologize, if you simply did not understand my position prior to said post. The opinion isn't the issue as much as the act of publishing via a medium so intrinsically linked to his profession and expectations of journalistic integrity.

I've long not been a fan of most political or editorial content in the New York Times; I have maintained my print subscription despite not agreeing with most of its non-factual content. I have no problems with opinions not analogous to my own.

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Now that salve has been applied to everyone's butthurt cornholes can this thread not be a hijack anymore?

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Can we turn it toward the inaccuracies most media sources promoted in the first few hours after the blast?

There were multiple unexploded devices, then there weren't. It wasn't as bad as Sandy Hook, where there were multiple suspects, etc. I don't know if its worse than in the past or if I'm just hearing about it more often, or even if I'm just getting sensitive to it, but the promotion of inaccuracies seem to be more common lately.

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Can we turn it toward the inaccuracies most media sources promoted in the first few hours after the blast?

There were multiple unexploded devices, then there weren't. It wasn't as bad as Sandy Hook, where there were multiple suspects, etc. I don't know if its worse than in the past or if I'm just hearing about it more often, or even if I'm just getting sensitive to it, but the promotion of inaccuracies seem to be more common lately.

Acceptable :)

I think the fact that major media outlets have surrendered journalists in lieu of "citizen journalists" and report instead on social media.

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